[ SECRET POST #1947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1947 ⌋

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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

Notice how you are completely able to walk away from this discussion and never talk to this person ever again, and the fact that you waited this long to do so was entirely your choice. You know what that is? Not bullying!

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[(Anonymous)]

And all those kids can just transfer schools. :D Totally okay, right?

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[(Anonymous)]

...Please be sarcasm.

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[(Anonymous)]

No! I was being sincere!

What do you need? A sarcasm sign?

My point was that the victim being able to leave doesn't impact whether something is bullying.

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[(Anonymous)]

It impacts the seriousness of the bullying. Do you honestly not see the difference between a situation you are willfully putting yourself in (internet, where you can sign off at any time) and one where you have no choice (real life, where many people don't get a choice of where they go and when)?

(frozen comment)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! I do see the difference!

However, bullying not exclusive to either. Real life bullying is certainly more serious, but that doesn't mean that internet bullying is good, is right, or is nothing. It exists and it doesn't get a free pass for being 'not as horrible.'

Also, really? Bullying is a problem no matter where you are.

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[(Anonymous)]

It gets a free pass on needing intervention, though. You don't need an organization to tell you to shut your computer off.

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[(Anonymous)]

No, but you need someone to tell those assholes online that they are being inappropriate and are acting like bullies.

It shouldn't be the victim's responsibility.

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[(Anonymous)]

Not really, no. You can tell them all they want, and they aren't going to care because it's the fucking internet. You're wasting your time, which could be better spent on people who are being bullied and don't have the luxury of deleting the 6-8 hours they spend at school and/or work from their lives.

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[(Anonymous)]

Okay, yeah, it's not an easy problem to solve! It's not even the most important problem to solve.

Why should they get a free pass just because it's hard?

It's the Nirvana fallacy: just because we're not going to stop all cyber bullies doesn't mean we should tolerate that behavior. Just because it's not the worst thing doesn't mean that it gets free reign.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because it doesn't make sense to fight something you absolutely cannot win against when there are far more pressing matters that need way more attention than they're getting. It's called "picking your battles."

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[(Anonymous)]

It's called doing what's right.

If you're the victim, maybe you should run.

If you're the bystander or if you're the bully, that's when you need to take a long hard look at what's right. That's holding the instigator responsible.

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[(Anonymous)]

I prefer not giving a shit. It gets the same result with much less effort. If you can help yourself out of the situation with a few mouse clicks, why should I waste my time on a bully who isn't going to listen to me anyway?

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[(Anonymous)]

Because you lose 100% of the battles that you never fight.

It might be the same result for you if you never try, but it makes a difference to someone else.

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[(Anonymous)]

When you can don nothing except type words on a screen that the bully will either ignore or laugh at, no it doesn't. And if you can help yourself the most with literally a few mouse clicks, why depend on someone else?

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[(Anonymous)]

Because it's not right that the victim should lose out.

What I can do is take action when I have power. If I tell them it's unacceptable and I won't tolerate it, I can at least do my part.

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[(Anonymous)]

And they will laugh at that and keep on keeping on since they now have your attention. You've accomplished nothing other than giving them the amusement they're looking for.

The victim can avoid "losing out" by putting appropriate privacy settings on their account and contacting the site's abuse team if the situation warrants it.

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[(Anonymous)]

You still blaming the victim instead of the bully

It's great that there are ways to prevent it, and I agree. However, that doesn't make the bully right.

How many excuses are you going to come up with for doing nothing because you're lazy or scared?

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it does. If you can easily leave the situation but choose not to? That's not bullying. That's martyrdom. And before you jump on it, transferring schools isn't easy. Especially public school, and homeschooling is not an option for families who are too poor to afford to have one parent home all the time.

Fandom shit doesn't require anyone's intervention or anyone to advocate for you, because you have all the power you need to cut it out of your life. It's not bullying when you have the luxury of walking the fuck away.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes it is!

It's not as serious, but it is bullying and the people who do it are just as bad, even if less effective.

You're acting like it's easy to walk away from any and all friends you've made online. It's not. There aren't financial ties, but you still have the emotional ties.

Why is the victim responsible for other people targeting them?

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[(Anonymous)]

Yet you're treating it as if it should be taken just as seriously. And no, it shouldn't. Diluting the meaning of "bullying" with "stupid petty shit people say online" is going to do nothing but make it easier for people who already think it's a problem invented by the media to dismiss it and not care.

When the "victim" has all the power they need to walk away, yes, they're responsible for doing so. Because only they can do it.

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[(Anonymous)]

Look, real life is just harder to walk away from than the internet. That you personally are emotionally invested in the internet to a possibly unhealthy degree and feel you can't take the simple action needed to get away from mean people on it does not invalidate the fact that it's much easier to do than it is in real life, and does not make the two situations remotely the same, and what people are trying to tell you is that it's really shitty of you to try and compare them.

And anyway, all of your friends turning against you stops being about bullying and starts falling under the umbrella of "guess you found out you have shitty friends".

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[(Anonymous)]

Stop. Go outside. Get some perspective.

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[(Anonymous)]

Right, where perspective = bullying olympics.

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[(Anonymous)]

+1. This can't be stressed enough.