[ SECRET POST #1958 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1958 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 104 secrets from Secret Submission Post #280.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
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Comments

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

Maybe not the single best part of the movie, but she made me so happy when I watched it. Yeah, Joss usually does good with female characters, but I was still a little worried she'd be a bore who just helped kick the bad guys around and didn't do anything else. She was damn awesome and definitely not just one of those tedious quota-filling token female characters that often pop up in action movies and don't actually do anything. She had her own unique backstory and set of the character traits and skills just like all the other characters. So while I was a little disappointed at the scarcity of female characters, the combination of having the characters they could work with being restricted by the source material and the general awesomeness of Natasha stopped me from caring too much.

Honestly, I much prefer one awesome female member like Natasha than two female members who felt like they were squeezed into the plot just because they were female. Natasha's character had a purpose to the story way beyond being female -- her actually, demonstrably useful spy experience (not the infuriating old "she's awesome even though we don't ever show it" spiel), her cynicism/world-weariness, and her Heel Face Turn/redemption-seeking backstory. Plus her feats were just as epic as Cap and Hawkeye's in the final battle. So yeah, people who say she was useless either are just moronic haters who can't see what's in front of their nose, or are trying to whine because they expected a character who only had a minor role in the previous movies and the source comics to like, have as big a role as Tony.

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

+1000 to this entire comment.

I wasn't sure how I'd feel about her, but Joss (and ScarJo) did a great job making her a distinct character with a distinct role and several distinct, character-driven crowning moments of awesome. I literally do not understand how someone could find her boring or useless. Not love her? Sure, everyone has their own tastes. But USELESS? What movie was THAT?

[(Anonymous)]

This is a beautiful, flawless comment and I just want to hug it and you. Thank you for putting words to my feelings. <3

[got_swagger]

This is a beautiful comment and you should feel good.

[hermione-vader.livejournal.com]

This is a fabulous comment and you should feel awesome about it. The last paragraph is especially full of WIN.

[lunik-the-bard.livejournal.com]

I much prefer one awesome female member like Natasha than two female members who felt like they were squeezed into the plot just because they were female.

See, this attitude baffles me - I'm not blaming you for it or anything, because Hollywood constantly vindicates it, but the idea that you can have one good female character per movie just seems ridiculous. There were eight male characters hanging around this plot. Eight. Did any of them feel like they were wedged in?

But all too often you find that the women in the movies feel tacked on, because you just have to have a girl in there somewhere. As long as she's there, then women will watch. Okay, we've written one in, now let's get back to writing about the real characters!

I loved Natasha in the Avengers because she had an actual purpose in the story. She was more integral to the plot than one ore two of the male characters (I'm thinking about Steve here - I loved his character, but his absence from the movie wouldn't have changed the plot all that much) - And more than that, Natasha is the only one who consistently comes out on top when she tangles with Loki. She was an important and necessary character, and she was a woman - I don't think she could have been written as a man, and that is so exciting to see in Hollywood that I want to cry.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

Well, of course I would prefer two/three/more awesome female characters to one awesome female character (I hope that goes without saying), but one awesome one is better than more tacked-on ones and really, in Hollywood having more than one awesome female main character in action movies is so rare that it's pretty much a non-issue -- it seems our choices are between one awesome female character or one tacked-on one. >:( Still, that doesn't diminish the awesomeness you can get even within restrictions if you have a writer who cares.

I get why there was only one female Avenger in this movie -- I don't think any of the other female Avengers from the comics would have felt right being in this story given their superpowers, backstories or situations, which is the comics' problem, not really the movie's -- but yeah the "okay we have a woman, now let's pay attention to developing good scenes and characterizations for all the male characters and just remember to give her some screentime" attitude bugs me so much, and I was so glad it didn't happen here.