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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-05-14 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #1959 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1959 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-05-15 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
The thing that bothered me most about the episode was the whole "storyteller" backstory Moriarty invented for himself.

Like, I get that he was trying to say that he was only an actor, Sherlock paid him off etc., HEY LOOK AT MY PORTFOLIO I'm a real person who isn't an evil mastermind!

But...doesn't anybody in-universe realize that the show never existed? Sure he faked the folder, but did he fake entire seasons' worth of the DVD? Doesn't anybody remember that they had never seen or heard about this show on TV? Moriarty's got lots of access to records, of course, but he wouldn't be able to alter everybody's memories/every TV listing that ever existed.

Bahh, it felt sloppy. A little more investigation and they could have proved it all wrong anyway. But, eh. That's kind of this show's style.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-05-15 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
In fairness, some of this could be addressed next series. Sherlock has to get his reputation back, and maybe starting to show the holes in Moriarty's story may be part of that.

(Anonymous) 2012-05-15 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Sherlock's reputation was tarnished by Moriarty telling everyone that he faked his cases when, obviously, Sherlock couldn't have if he wanted to. What was he going to do, go back in time and set up a government facility in India? Murder that guy killed by a boomerang by hitting him in the back of the head and then running away? Giving Irene Adler all kinds of sensitive information? Poison a bunch of people while he was physically elsewhere? He was a detective who wouldn't know about the crime, usually, until someone consulted him about it, and then he would solve it by finding evidence and/or getting a confession. That's just ... unfakeable.

And considering Lestrad was THERE to watch him do it half the time, Lestrad at all going for this idea makes it even more impossible.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-05-15 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, true, that part really strained credibility. There are too many people who've consulted him pretty much just off the street, that he in no way could have planned the crimes/situations they're consulting him about.

(Anonymous) 2012-05-16 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
First off, darling, it's Lestrade, with an 'e' at the end.

Second off... the implication is not Sherlock, ALL ON HIS LONESOME, faked the crimes. It is that, as John exhibited, his enigmatic personality was really the culprit and he could have well convinced others to do these crimes. Much like, (and watch carefully, this comes full-circle)... Moriarty. So the implication was not that Sherlock faked all of his cases, it was that he likely set them up to an extent (again, with the unwitting or willing help of the respectively gullible and morally dubious population) or used 'tricks' to 'solve' them. It wasn't even imperative that he faked the entire case in order to BE a 'fake'.

It was a witch-hunt all 'round, Sherlock just had it turned on him by Moriarty.

Use your imagination a bit, he either put the plan into motion when he was notified of the crime or somehow planted his clients. I mean, there are loads of explanations as to how this could have all feasibly been within the range of his reach. Faking a case can encompass so many things.

Tarnishing a reputation does not mean 'proving beyond a reasonable doubt', as they would say in the US justice system. All you have to do is INSTILL doubt in the first place to tarnish an already questionable reputation, (which Sherlock had at best).

But aside from all the reasons it could make sense, there are some holes and just either A) assume a margin for human error/lack of logic, B) sit back and enjoy, it's a television show, quite down to earth for the same man who does Dr. Who. Clearly, I try to do B, but A always trips me up.

I do always enjoy a healthy dose of skepticism but do think about the possibilities presented here, a bit deeper than what seems to be so obvious.

(Anonymous) 2012-05-16 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
As far as Moriarty's show and the scheduling, there are plenty of mini-programmes and programs that are sort of 'filler' for networks that go unnamed. There are a ton of shows that people say, "Oh yeah, I know that's on, never watched it." Moriarty: also an adept hacker. Eaaasy to do some fudging of listings and fake a resume.

I assume that people could be fooled for quite a while before realizing the truth. Long enough for the Reichenbach Fall to play out. Not too much longer, they would notice something rotten in Denmark, but long enough for the trial and fake suicide to occur. So. There's that, I realize I didn't address that in my other response.

[identity profile] elenauial.livejournal.com 2012-05-15 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
What I've seen in fic, and honestly what seems to make sense for me, is that he actually WAS in a couple small TV shows.

Moriarty seems like a person who was bored enough and planning ahead enough (Though maybe not to throw off Sherlock, but knowing his lifestyle, that he'd probably need some sort of plausible alternate identity at some point) to actually take the time and act in a few minor productions. Not enough that it would probably hold up under intense scrutiny, but enough that a minor check into this fake identity seemed legitimate.