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13. http://i.imgur.com/tb005.jpg

I thought the point was Moriarty basically retconned himself out of existence so as far as the public was concerned "Moriarty" was just some actor Sherlock paid off? I dunno, maybe I missed something but even someone as good hearted as Lestrade begun to doubt Sherlock when presented with a series of what seemed like coincidences that were too good to be true.

Edited 2012-05-15 12:45 (UTC)

Shhh, don't try to find logic in Moffat. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Moffat didn't write that one, Stephen Thompson did.

You need to rewatch the episode. You missed the point entirely.

I'm just glad they got the big ~DRAMA storyline over with fairly quickly in the show's life. I'd much rather watch "The Sherlock and John Fight Crime with the Help of Wacky Minor Characters Show" without the hiatus looming yet.

Give me one-off case eps. I don't need some giant arc where everything ties to some master criminal.

Give me one-off case eps. I don't need some giant arc where everything ties to some master criminal.

This.

Thirded.

You mean the HAITUS.

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saya22.livejournal.com - 2012-05-15 03:10 (UTC) - Expand

yes, this x 1000. Modern interpretations give Moriarty FAR too much stake in the over-arching story.

Meh, I'd be happy for Moriarty to stick around for 5 series since both S1 and S2 have been arc-heavy and I'm afraid they'll lose momentum if they lose that. But even if they do a villain-heavy arc each series (e.g. Moran in S3, Milverton in S4), Sherlock has already faced and beaten his most dangerous adversary.

C'mon, this is the UK. We have a slightly weird relationship with our news media. The newspapers said that Moriarty wasn't a real criminal, therefore IT MUST BE TRUE. And even if some people had their doubts, people tend love drama and a big fall from grace more than giving much thought to critically analysing evidence, evidence which would probably leave anyone not knowing what the hell to think anyway. So why not believe what you're told?

Heh I was going to mention the way our papers can be in my original comment but thought I couldn't express it properly. Thanks anon, you've basically said what I was going to say! Our media loves to tear people down, and kick them while they're there.

The thing that bothered me most about the episode was the whole "storyteller" backstory Moriarty invented for himself.

Like, I get that he was trying to say that he was only an actor, Sherlock paid him off etc., HEY LOOK AT MY PORTFOLIO I'm a real person who isn't an evil mastermind!

But...doesn't anybody in-universe realize that the show never existed? Sure he faked the folder, but did he fake entire seasons' worth of the DVD? Doesn't anybody remember that they had never seen or heard about this show on TV? Moriarty's got lots of access to records, of course, but he wouldn't be able to alter everybody's memories/every TV listing that ever existed.

Bahh, it felt sloppy. A little more investigation and they could have proved it all wrong anyway. But, eh. That's kind of this show's style.

In fairness, some of this could be addressed next series. Sherlock has to get his reputation back, and maybe starting to show the holes in Moriarty's story may be part of that.

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What I've seen in fic, and honestly what seems to make sense for me, is that he actually WAS in a couple small TV shows.

Moriarty seems like a person who was bored enough and planning ahead enough (Though maybe not to throw off Sherlock, but knowing his lifestyle, that he'd probably need some sort of plausible alternate identity at some point) to actually take the time and act in a few minor productions. Not enough that it would probably hold up under intense scrutiny, but enough that a minor check into this fake identity seemed legitimate.

The Reichenbach Fall makes no logical sense if you look at it too closely. Worst episode ever. I have no idea why they continue to let Steve Thompson write for this show.

the only thing i could think while i was watching this was

make molly be the real moriarty

do it

please writers

please

i still haven't given up hope ftr

*desperately wants this*

Fuck that shit.

God yes. That storyline made no sense, the writing was lazy and full of plot holes, but everyone is totally distracted by the MANPAIN and doesn't acknowledge how sloppy the plot writing is in this series.

I just got around to watching this series last week, and son, I am disappoint. That ending was a shit sandwich. There was precisely zero tension because you know Sherlock can't die, he's the title character. Moreover, the whole "faked his own death" trope needs to die a well-deserved and grotesquely overused death already (complete with watching him watch the grave scene~~~). Even worse, a child could prove that Sherlock hadn't invented his cases, or that Moriarty wasn't an actor.

Disappoint.

MTE.

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I read it as more like Moriarty never publicly showed how smart he was, vs. Sherlock who even got some fame from how intelligent he was. It might be unreasonable, but it also makes sense- a lot of people are unwilling to think that people are super humanly smart. Especially if they're supposed to believe that there are two people at that level of intelligence. It's just a really uncomfortable thought, just like realizing that there are people with 1000x your own wealth or "importance" in the world.

And Moriarty played his cards right. In the public eye in the show, he was never seen doing anything super smart (versus Sherlock's tendency to show off how smart he is by his little deductions). Even as he was seen as actively engaging in criminal behavior, all he did visually was "click a button" on a phone, that could have been programmed by anyone....

Plus in pop culture and social groups there's a lot of desire to "even things out" or "taken down a notch". So there's a lot of resentment and dislike for people who are below standards (shunning the mentally challenged), while also resenting and disliking those above standards (shunning the smart people, "smart ass", "nerd")....

idk if it's only in the USA, but over here there's a HUGE anti-intelligence movement socially/politically. People actively disliking smart or successful people, or even wanting to do better in school themselves. I think its that kind of "playground" logic and the issues with that they were trying to convey, and what Moriarty was trying to take advantage of. Jury swings like this, or at least the public's acceptance of these results, happen a lot in heavily publicized trials.

Ok, point 4 made me crack up. :D

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