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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-05-17 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #1962 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1962 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Ferris Bueller's Day Off]


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03.
[Community]


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04.
[Big Time Rush]


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05.
[Avengers]


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06.
[The Decemberists]


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07.
[Tim Minchin]


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08.
[The Lizzie Bennet Diaries]


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[Community]


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[The Hunger Games]


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11.
[Nell: The Day Before]


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12.
[Devil Survivor]


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13.
[Homeland]


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[Pippin]


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15.
[Portal 2 & Left 4 Dead]


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[The Avengers, 30 Rock, Psych]


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[FFX]


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18.
[Mad Men]


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19.
[Legend of Korra]


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20.
[Faust: Love of the Damned]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 020 secrets from Secret Submission Post #280.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com 2012-05-18 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
I love platonic male-female friendships that don't turn into romance. I also like when they do depending on the chemistry, but I always have tension regarding plantonic male/female friendships who don't have the right chemistry, because I'm just waiting for the show/movie to shove them together anyway. And most of the time I'm right and I just groan. I'm really glad 30 Rock pretty much came right out and said "this is never gonna happen between Liz and Jack" at some point.
Because a guy and a girl can't have a relationship without it turning romantic, right? In the same way that mainstream male friendship will pretty much never turn into romance, regardless of the chemistry portrayed between the two characters.

[identity profile] intrigueing.livejournal.com 2012-05-18 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
Same here. I usually (not always, but usually) hate it when two established platonic male-female friends turn romantic, not because I dislike romance or anything, but because I love those rare platonic friendships, and turning them into romance destroys them --- because now they're romantic and therefore not a platonic friendship by definition. Even if the romantic couple that ensues isn't bad, I still usually prefer the platonic friendship simply because romances happen all over the place and there's more than enough around to satisfy me, while platonic friendships are rare and I want to salvage every one I can find. I like my romantic couples to either have visible romantic hints from the get-go or for romance to develop between two characters as they get close. That way, I don't get blindsided. There's something, I dunno, safe and comforting about a friendship that you know won't turn romantic. I don't like that phrasing because it makes it seem like romance is bad, which is not what I mean at all, but I guess I'm just sick of just how often the "feeeeeelings!" thing pops up unexpectedly and throws everything off course, often for no satisfying reason.

I have the opposite problem with same-sex friendships obviously, because two friendship becoming a gay or lesbian couple is really really rare while friendships are everywhere. I'm not a huge slasher who slashes everything in sight, but I'm generally more positive about the idea of long-time platonic male-male or female-female friendships turning romantic than long-time male-female ones.

Oh one more peeve -- that if a man and a woman who are friends flirt or show any physical attraction, they automatically have deeper complex romantic feelings. I really liked how Jack and Liz, as well as Morgan and Garcia on Criminal Minds and CJ and Toby on The West Wing can be totally casually flirty without actually wanting to be a couple or being unsatisfied with being "just friends". They're like, the male-female equivalent of two same-sex characters with lots of Ho Yay, but who you wouldn't actually want to see get together in canon.

Today is tl;dr day for me...*sigh*

[identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com 2012-05-18 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
There's something, I dunno, safe and comforting about a friendship that you know won't turn romantic. I don't like that phrasing because it makes it seem like romance is bad, which is not what I mean at all

Don't worry, I get it 100%. It's not about the romance, I think, it's about inevitable change when you want things to just be the way they are. I'm not bracing for a shocking swerve unless I'm expecting it to show up any minute.

I have a lot of fondness for male-female friendships growing into romance (I'm a huge sucker for the Childhood Friends trope) but I really must insist on it being right for the characters and the story, and for there to be buildup first. I get really pissed off by the principle of writers clearly seeing all male-female interaction as inherently UST-filled even when it's not.
Like, I was just with my husband playing Heavy Rain, and both male-female detective pairs inexplicably kiss (or one almost-kiss depending on player choice) at some point late in the story and seriously where the hell did that come from. It wasn't built up at all beyond "he's a man and she's a woman and they've been on an adventure together" and it seemed pretty wrong for the mood. I mean, who gets hot and bothered looking for their dead son's killer?

[identity profile] intrigueing.livejournal.com 2012-05-18 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, I do love the childhood friends thing. I guess because it feels more purposeful when they develop an attraction as they sexually mature, instead of just "hey I have romantic feelings now".