[ SECRET POST #1967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1967 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think they can wear it in private schools but I'm not sure. Public schools don't allow it, because they are lay schools and the rules apply to everyone, not just Muslims. IF you can hide it under your clothes, you can wear a necklace with a small cross or a small Hamsa, or whatever else. IF you can hide it. No religious things and no political things in school (as in: wearing a shirt that promotes a political party? No sir).

[ooh-mrdarcy.livejournal.com]

Ooh, I didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying. (I haven't been to France in quite a while and I never heard about this.)

[(Anonymous)]

You're welcome!

[joshua-glass.livejournal.com]

A tiny part of me agrees with this in theory, since two of the biggest no no topics of discussion tend to be religion and politics, so I can see why they'd want to try and keep that out of a place of learning in order to lessen potential animosity, but at the same time, I couldn't imagine wanting to tell someone they had to disregard their religion's way of dress in order to go to school, especially since in the case of Muslims, the hair covering is a very serious thing to them, that they can't show their hair to any man of "potential marriagability" if I'm remembering what my Muslim friend told me correctly. Ignoring the fact that marriagability is completely not a word. XD

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

This. My understanding - correct me if I'm wrong - is that wearing the hijab is a question of modesty, not necessarily of religious devotion. Telling people that they can't wear it because it's a visible sign of religion seems like it's going a little far IMO.

That being said, I don't know anything about the repercussions this decision has had on French society. Does anyone have any insight they would like to share?

[icarian-ink.livejournal.com]

I don't have any specific examples of repercussions, but I think it's really just continuing to fuel the tensions between Muslim and non-Muslim French - it's certainly not bringing anyone together. When I was there I noticed a distinct amount of social segregation.

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

:-( That's unfortunate. Looks like it had the opposite effect of what was intended in that case. Thanks for the info!

[(Anonymous)]

It's not really a problem in schools, not anymore. There are some people who disagree with it, but they're not necessarily Muslims: some Catholics are being really vocal with what children are being taught, the latest tiff was over the new biology curriculum that said that gender was socially constructed (in the end, the Catholics lost), the one before that was over a cartoon for elementary schoolchildren explaining what homosexuality was (in the end, I don't think the cartoon was made available in schools and it wasn't part of the curriculum). No religion related things also means that the influence of religious groups over curriculums is very limited.
(Curriculums are the same in public and private schools and they're the same all over the country by the way)

I know of a (formerly jesuit, now public) high school with a church just next door: two years ago, Good Friday was the last day of school just before spring break. In this high school, the students traditionally dress up and wear all sorts of disguises for fun on the friday before spring break. But two years ago, some Catholics started going off on the high school, saying that they should be ashamed to play dress up on Good Friday with a church nearby etc... The then headmistress was rather conservative and almost agreed to cancel that carnival day. In the end, the teachers and the students managed to put enough pressure on her so that she refused to cancel.


However, there are some tensions between French Muslims and non-Muslims, fueled by the previous President's really offensive speeches (then again, his speeches were offensive to everyone who did not worship him). I'm hoping that the new President will appease those tensions...

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

Someday I hope that religious controversy will be a thing of the past. Maybe someday...

Thanks for the info, anon! :-)

[(Anonymous)]

You're welcome!
And I'm hoping with you...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the problem is that the cross can be worn under the clothes, and the hijab can't.

The rules may be designed to protect everyone equally, but they don't APPLY to everyone equally. And that's an issue.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, the Hamsa is not a Christian symbol...

[inkedfeathers.livejournal.com]

I think the problem is that it can be distressing not to wear it.

It's not the same as just wearing a necklace, which one could wear because they feel like displaying a religious symbol, it's something a Muslim girl feels commanded to wear.

I know I'd feel horribly uncomfortable and naked without my hijab. I'd probably opt for wearing a hat and long-sleeved clothing or anything else to cover up the parts that hijab's supposed to cover, if there's no way to wear a headscarf...