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⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Little Shop of Horrors]

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[Sherlock BBC]

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15. http://i.imgur.com/Jxlnf.png
[sort of porny and possible underage; photomanip, Snape/Hermione]

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16. [SPOILER WARNING for Arrested Development]
[TRIGGER WARNING for incest]

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17. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse, suicide]

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19. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual violence, rape, coercion, cult like mentalities, and violence]

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[Let the Right One In/Låt den rätte komma in]

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21. [TRIGGER WARNING for body horror, gore]

[Parasyte]

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22. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]

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Jesus, I remember that blow-up!

There are also more subtle cases all throughout that community. If a man says anything about women's issues, it's all "Sit down and shut-up, you evil penis-haver!" instead of reasonable discussion.

The reason they say that isn't because they're OMG EVIL WOMAN-SUPREMACISTS.

It's because men shouldn't be the dominant voices in women's issues and shouldn't be allowed to speak over women about sexism and their experiences as women.

You're a moron.

You're a moron.

And apparently you're a judgmental asshole. (Yeah, hypocrisy is me. I just couldn't resist.)

Way to prove the point about Social Justice Warriors vs. people who believe in social justice. This comment would have been an entirely reasonable response to someone who didn't already know what you said in it, but you just had to go and throw in a personal insult at the end, making your post go from reasonable, polite discourse to actively trying to pick a fight. Nice.

You are part of the problem.

(Also, isn't "moron" one of those oh-so-evil ableist words that SJW-types get all up in arms about people using?)

lol

You really (http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/derailing-for-dummies-google-cache-reconstruction/#notlistening) really (http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/derailing-for-dummies-google-cache-reconstruction/#angry) love derailing, don't you? (http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/derailing-for-dummies-google-cache-reconstruction/#hostile)

Congratulations, you know how to link to Derailing For Dummies! That's totally as good as formulating your own responses to people.

But seriously, though. If you end a post with a straight-up insult, you don't want a debate. You don't want to educate someone. You don't want to approach problems in a rational, adult manner. No, when you insult a stranger out of hand for saying something you don't agree with, what you want is a fight. Which makes you the problem, much more than the person whose opinion you disagree with.

And since I don't particularly want a fight right now, I'll let you have the last word so you can feel like you've somehow won a great victory for women's rights. Have fun!

+1 The automatic fight-picking drives me absolutely up the wall with these kinds of people. Could it be ny more self-righteous?

lol whatever you say.

Say, did you know using the word "moron" as a term of abuse is hateful and oppressive of people with learning disabilities? Including women?

whoa

you didn't really imply women have learning disabilities as an innate part of being a woman

right

wait no you're anon you're probably shit-stirring because this secret's spawned sjw wank and you want to join in

Do you know what the word "including" means?

yes actually

that's why i was wtfing at the comment i replied to

Pretty sure they meant it to parse as:
"Say, did you know using the word "moron" as a term of abuse is hateful and oppressive of people, including women, with learning disabilities?"

As in, disabled people's issues ARE women's issues too, which is something a lot of mainstream feminist circles tend to forget.

you're prolly right on what they meant, and definitely right that, er, rights are important in a general 'no one deserves to be mistreated for things out of their control' and not just 'women don't deserve to be mistreated because they're part of the wrong 50% of humanity'

it's still a wtfy way of writing it if they did mean it like how you said it

Yeah, you're trying to start shit. Hush, the adults are talking.

Diff Anon

Except that's not derailing. You are literally doing EXACTLY what the people up thread are complaining about.

Abelist terminology is not appropriate.

Of course they shouldn't be allowed to speak over women or be the dominant voices. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to speak or have voices AT ALL.

I don't know if you'll ever see this, anon, and I seriously doubt you'd respond if you did, but I respectfully ask you to look at your comment. It's rational. It explains something. It educates. Is that something you want to do?

If it is, then that part of your comment is constructive.

What, then, is the benefit of adding the last line? Ask yourself, what does it do for the cause and the greater good to belittle someone? What do I hope it will accomplish? What do I expect the person on the other side of the computer to do when I call them a moron? Do I expect them to change their minds? Insult me back? Change their behavior? What do I want them to do, not just now, but after this?

Is it because I feel that the person is being hurtful? If I feel that, then why do I want to mimic such hurtfulness? Am I not trying to show people that it's not acceptable to be hurtful?

This comment, by the way, isn't meant to say "you're a bad person". It's because (like most of the people in the thread) you believe in the right cause, but you might not realize what an impact delivery has.

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