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⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Little Shop of Horrors]

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[Sherlock BBC]

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15. http://i.imgur.com/Jxlnf.png
[sort of porny and possible underage; photomanip, Snape/Hermione]

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16. [SPOILER WARNING for Arrested Development]
[TRIGGER WARNING for incest]

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17. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse, suicide]

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19. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual violence, rape, coercion, cult like mentalities, and violence]

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[Let the Right One In/Låt den rätte komma in]

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21. [TRIGGER WARNING for body horror, gore]

[Parasyte]

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22. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]

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I see a lot of people kvetching about how "SJWs" tend to "shame" people, and you know what? I don't MIND THAT. The thing is, shaming bigots, calling them assholes, whatever? Might make them think twice about what they're saying. Bigotry SHOULD result in shaming. It SHOULD result in being called an asshole. It SHOULD result in being ostracized from the group, because bigotry should not be tolerated.

You know, I can agree with that to some extent. Someone next to you casually mentions they're in the Klan and death to all darkies, yo? Shut them down hard, ride them out of town on a rail, and so on.

However.

Someone calls a movie "lame"? They don't deserve to have hellfire rained down upon them for a moment of insensitive ignorance. They also don't deserve to have more hellfire rained upon them after they've already apologized and fixed whatever was causing issue, and they certainly don't deserve to be stalked across websites to be further ridiculed long after the fact.

Unfortunately, at least hanging around communities like this one, I see way more incidents of people dog-piling relatively minor faux pas far out of proportion to the offense and not very much actual standing-up-against-*ism. People making passing, minor comments shouldn't trigger the level of invective that SJWs bring against them...especially when it's often not clear whether the person making a seemingly -ist remark is actually part of that oppressed group themselves and is consciously reclaiming a word or just plain not bothered by a word. Except then they get accused of being, basically, brainwashed and not counting as whatever they are, because the SJW doesn't care about any particular individual.

The reason why we have the term "social justice warrior" is refer to those who can't make the distinction between well-intentioned ignorance and actual prejudice, who react out of proportion to whatever slight they perceive has occurred regardless of whether reality actually fits their version of events, and cannot or do not choose their battles (spending a month attacking someone for "lame" rather than, say, rallying against someone like Rush Limbaugh who says truly disgusting things on a regular basis and to far greater harm to society than the "lame movie"-commenter could ever do). The extremists, in other words. And if you think that someone who makes a "lame movie" comment deserves to be driven out of a community and ostracized, then you know where you fall on the Social Justice advocate spectrum.

ETA: It's like the difference between being a nice guy and a Nice Guy. SJWs are the Nice Guys of social justice.

Edited 2012-06-09 05:33 (UTC)

Oh yeah, no, I'm not talking about stuff like "that movie was lame," or something like that. I'm talking about stuff that people should really know is not okay, like, "gay people should burn in hell," "women are all bitches and sluts," "your sexuality doesn't exist," "fat people are disgusting," "we need to lock up all the 'crazy people'," "we shouldn't accommodate disabled people," "lesbians just need to have sex with a man," that kind of shit. I think it's okay to call people who say that shit "assholes," wouldn't you? That sort of thing isn't an issue of "this person may not know it isn't okay to say that / that what they said is bigoted and wrong." People who say those things absolutely know they are being bigoted and that what they are saying is offensive... they just don't care, and that makes them assholes.

Yeah, those folk are assholes, I agree. I doubt many people here are actually that ruffled about calling out those types in such a way. It's just that the people who get labeled as SJWs (well, and deserve that label, I should amend, since I know how people like bandying about labels willy-nilly sometimes) have really wide asshole-labeling brushes that cover way more grey areas than classic and unrepentant bigotry. (Heh, now I'm imagining a Coca-Cola flavor, Bigot Classic. It's traditional!)

Thank you so much for posting this. You've dealt with the crux of the issue in a much more articulate way than I've been able to (not for lack of trying, though). 100% agree.

You know, I'm not fond of the way the Nice Guy expression is used, because too often it's applied to denigrate people who simply haven't been lucky in love. (It's a variant of the "just-world hypothesis": they haven't found an SO despite being nice, therefore they must actually be a Nice Guy, a real creep who only thinks they're nice.)

But you know what? You're absolutely right. You nailed it. Nice Guys (those who really do deserve the epithet) are just like SJWs. Ask them "Why aren't you getting the romantic attention/agreement with your social justice views that you want?" and without hesitation they'll say "It's because they're fucked in the head! They're hypnotized by testosterone-fueled bullies! They're programmed by patriarchy and rape culture! They aren't smart enough to know what I know, which is that they should not only be flocking to me in droves but shaking with emotion as they thank me for showing them the right way!!"

Meanwhile everyone around them can see the frankly terrifying entitlement complex these people carry around with them. "I should get what I want, right away!! If you're a female I think is cute, you should be falling in love with my nerdy charm! If you're a stranger on the Internet, you should drop whatever opinions you have about race and sex and disability and take up mine! If you don't do these things, that means you're fucked in the head!!" (That line of "It's not my responsibility to educate you; educate yourself!" is always a give-away; is there any clearer way to express the sentiment "It's very important for you to give me what I'm entitled to but I can't be expected to actually expend any of my effort!"?)

This exactly.

This is so, so true.

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