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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-06-08 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #1984 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Little Shop of Horrors]


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[Sherlock BBC]


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[sort of porny and possible underage; photomanip, Snape/Hermione]

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16. [SPOILER WARNING for Arrested Development]
[TRIGGER WARNING for incest]



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[Let the Right One In/Låt den rätte komma in]


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[Parasyte]


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(Anonymous) 2012-06-09 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

You make some very good points. I disagree strongly with others (calling people on their privilege is important, especially when they try to talk over members of minority groups!), but most of them I agree with.

However, those problems are, as you said, issues of social justice culture and they must be overcome. Many reasonable members of that culture and community are working towards fixing those issues.

That does not make it okay to label pro-social justice individuals as "SJWs," a shaming tool meant to silence and erase the voices of minority individuals. Calling them out on the issues they may have -- fine. Calling them labels created to silence them and appease bigots because they dared to "get angry" or be vocally pro-social justice, designed to keep them quiet so that bigots can keep on being bigots with impunity... not okay.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-10 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, so labels are bad but isn't that exactly what you're doing?

You say that SJWs don't exist and that it's only used as a label by bigots to silence social justice advocates.

Many people have chimed in to explain what they consider a SJW and how their behavior is different than people who are real social justice advocates.

You continue to say that the term SJW is only used by bigots.

You've just called everybody on this thread who used that term a bigot as a means to shame and silence them. People who are pro-social justice, people how are members of the marginalized group you claim to be defending (and, yes, probably a few real bigots thrown in, I'll give you that).

Just because they used a term you didn't like they're bigots.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-11 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Suppose we step away from the term "SJW" for a while and all the arguments about its  origins and meaning.  Let's introduce a new term:  BSJA.  It stands for "Backfiring Social Justice Advocate"; it refers to any person who is trying to advocate for social justice, but whose methods backfire and end up damaging the causes they're advocating.

1) Do you acknowledge that BSJAs exist?  That people can be committed to social justice causes and be trying to push those causes forward, but can do so in ways that their actual effect is to harm those causes?

2) Do you recognize that the problematic behavior that we have identified as the defining characteristic of a BSJA is exactly the behavior that many people are complaining about from people they call SJWs?

3) What is your basis for insisting that of the people who use the term SJW and complain about the behavior of SJWs, 0% are rational, ordinary people, even people who care about social justice, getting frustrated with behavior that harms social justice causes, and 100% of them are bigots who are trying to silence minority voices?