[ SECRET POST #1986 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1986 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/bQey3.jpg

[writerserenyty]

It's an excellent movie, but the premise is kind of eerie. It's a pretty powerful movie, and while I don't know why you necessarily had that strong of a reaction to the trailer, it's not the strangest movie to feel that way about.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't have that reaction to the trailer, OP, but the film itself is pretty intense and I've never felt so low after watching a film before. It's a brilliant film, but not one I can bring myself to watch again any time soon, so I can sort of understand how you feel.

(Amazing soundtrack, though. Rachel Portman needs more love.)

[(Anonymous)]

Read the book. The movie is crap.

[starphotographs]

I... Did not like the movie much. But for what it's worth, I probably would have liked it more if it was the version I got to first. The book kinda spoiled me.

And I think you're instincts were correct, but that's kind of the point.

WARNING: SPOILERS

[fenm]

SPOILERS!!

In the interest of full disclosure: I'm only alive today because of organ donation (a heart/double-lung transplant in 2000), so it's a topic that hits very close to home for me. The depiction of donation/transplantation in media is of interest to me. And, sadly, it's very, VERY often portrayed in negative, "scary" ways that tend to turn people off to the idea.

Out of curiosity, I read the synopsis on Wikipedia (so, yeah, fair warning; I'm not sure how accurate little details will be). So, it's Clonus and/or The Island all over again (though at least in this version, the clones seem to know why they exist). Hmmm... yeah, it's still kinda stupid; when we get to the point where these things can be done, cloning specific organs will be way easier, and make a lot more sense, than cloning whole, sentient people you then have to find a way to control. Yeah, it makes for nice debates (Clonus actually brought up a few--who gets coned, are clones people, etc), but... just... no.

Also; aren't there certain genetic and/or congenital diseases and conditions that the clone will also have? So having a clone won't help with those. Has anyone seen a movie where that's brought up? Clonus didn't do it. But maybe The Island or this movie does?

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[(Anonymous)]

I read the book, and their actual purpose felt kind of beyond the point? It felt like a reason to put them into a situation where they were considered non-people and eventually having to give up their organs until they died was just how it went. The awfulness wasn't really about having to give up their organs, but how they thought it was perfectly normal that this is how their lives would go. At least that's how it was for me personally- I took the book more as a metaphor for how conditioning someone to embrace their place at the bottom of the heap is a really insidious and effective way to oppress them. I've seen shades of that in my own life, and it's a really interesting thing to write about and the reason I love the book.

I am totally in favor of organ transplants, both in terms of "it's pretty cool to volunteer your innards for other people after you die anyway" and "we should work on figuring out how to grow specific organs because that's more effective anyway". I don't understand what it would be like to see forced organ donation be constantly played for horror when you owe your life to voluntary organ donation, and I'm sorry that's probably not a great position to be in. At least in this book, though, it's sort of just there to be the worst possible form of exploitation- and raising someone up just to involuntarily take parts of their body bit by bit sort of is the worst possible form of exploitation, even though voluntary organ donation is a really good thing.

I don't know about the movie, but the book made it pretty vague as to what's actually going on- the clones weren't clones of specific people they'd provide organs to, but there might have been something done to make them more compatible with anyone? Again, it's really not the point.

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[starphotographs]

Yeah, I don't think it was ever supposed to portray what was going on as the most feasible way to do things. It was more about what it made you think/feel. A lot of people (and I would agree) say that it's not so much about cloning as it is about mortality. Or, as you say, exploitation. Or (and I agree with this, too) childhood, and how few people are really honest with children about life and what's really going to happen to them. (I mean... Look at the little subplot with Ms. Lucy, why she was fired, etc.)

Another interesting thing is that it didn't take place in the future. It took place in an alternate timeline where we had cloning figured out in the 50s. And I think there are a lot of ethical issues that got "sorted out" in the mid 20th century that we're only just not revisiting and realize that we might have gotten some things wrong.

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[fenm]

Ah... Yeah, reading more about the movie and Book, I see that it's metaphorical... interesting.

Thanks. (-:

Re: WARNING: SPOILERS

[violettomoe2.livejournal.com]

From what I remember, the only condition concerning clones was either that there couldn't be any pregnancy or STDs couldn't form somehow so sex was very casual among them. I'm not sure if that was mentioned in the movie or not.

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[starphotographs]

I don't recall that part being mentioned in the movie, no. :\

STDs weren't even mentioned in the book, come to think of it! I just always assumed it wasn't an issue since they were such an isolated community.

And of course, they weren't allowed to EVER SMOKE EVER OMG. :P

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh jesus no. Really. Shut up. It's not The Island, ffs, it's a metaphorical examination on mortality and loss and how humans cope with the knowledge that they are going to die and lose everything, all the knowledge they've accumulated, all their possessions, and most significantly all the people they've loved and relationships they've had.

The books was written by Kazuro Ishiguro, who is a literary novelist and not remotely a genre writer. It's one of the most meaningful, horribly beautiful and honest books I've ever read.

It is not "about" clones. The cloning is used as a metaphor for the human condition.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a good movie, but very emotionally intense. If you felt like that after just the trailer, you might want to avoid it. Very, very intense.

[laura0414]

After I saw that film, I locked myself in my bathroom so I could sob without being interrupted. No film has ever made me cry like that, ever. I can understand your trepidation, anon, but it is a beautiful movie.

[(Anonymous)]

It was boring. You aren't missing anything.

[lunabee34]

I haven't seen the film, but I loved the book. The premise is very disturbing and heartbreakingly sad, so you might want to avoid.

[violettomoe2.livejournal.com]

The book is better than the movie, but if you had to pick one on account of emotions, you should probably go with the movie; it cut out a bunch of parts that made me feel a lot towards the characters.

[(Anonymous)]

oh same, anon. same. it was weird/embarrassing for me to try to hold in my reaction because the first time I saw the trailer was during someone's presentation of the book in English class, too.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

I say watch it. There is some fear and dread about it (it's got a cold, creepy twist) but it's mostly a lot more subdued than what you're probably picturing so it'll probably put your mind at ease

[thewordlovely]

Yeah...never going to see that movie. I just don't handle movies like that.

[rbhudson]

I get that all the time! Idk why. It gets really bad when I'm going to the movies. I get increasingly more panicky as the credits role and the movie begins.

[(Anonymous)]

Seems like a normal and appropriate reaction to me. The book made me so upset I had to stop reading it for a while. It covers some pretty intense and upsetting territory.

[starphotographs]

I couldn't stop reading once I started and finished it in a few sittings.

The following week was... Interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I think if the trailer gave you an almost panic attack, you should give the movie a miss. It is pretty good, I liked it, but it's terribly bleak and depressing, and there are some disturbing scenes.

[zogblaster]

That's how the whole book made me, and everyone I know who read it, feel.

The film didn't bring quite the same suffocating panicky feeling of creeping horror, particularly towards the end. But still, your reaction is what it was going for.