[ SECRET POST #1991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1991 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I think that at least part of it is because no shota or what is ever likely to make real-life paedophilia okay. You know? Like, okay, some people may enjoy reading it, but I don't think that society as a whole is likely to regress to the point of seeing rape or paedophilia as okay or acceptable (let alone right).

But part of the problem with the Nazi regime is that, on the surface, it can be very seductive. Hitler didn't take and keep power and get half the world to descend into madness with him by getting up there and saying, "Hey, you know what would be awesome? Let's brutally murder millions of innocent people, men, women, and children, just because I don't like their type! Hey? Guys? Hey?"

It's dangerous, those ideas. Parents didn't allow their disabled sons and daughters to be murdered because they were evil muahahaha. They did it because very sympathetic people in lab coats who were supposed to know best managed to persuade them that euthanizing them truly was the kindest thing they could do for their poor, unfortunate children. It's a type of madness that the human mind is particularly susceptible to, and when we start admiring anything about the Nazis, even if it's just their admittedly insanely stylish uniforms, then that far too easily becomes a very large step on a terribly slippery slope down to "hey they were only human" and "maybe they weren't actually as bad as we've been told" and "you know, some things they did get right."

And that is not only a danger in and of itself, that by normalizing Naziism we could, far too easily, allow the neo-Nazis more power than anyone that hate-filled should ever have, and potentially lead to a resurgence of that kind of thinking; it's also a slap in the face to an entire generation. Six million Jews, yes; also about another five million other concentration camp victims; plus every soldier who died or was wounded trying to stop them, every man, woman, and child separated (often permanently) from their families or killed.

For six years the world burned. An absolute madness spread out like a cancer, and over sixty million people were dead by the time it was over. Something like two and a half percent of the entire population of the world.

And that's not counting the wounded, the displaced, the orphanned, the dispossessed...

You want to know why Nazis are treated as different, OP? Why shota and non-con are looked at as YMMV despite how horrible those acts are in real life? It's because of the sheer scale, the sheer magnitude of it all. I dare you to not have one single relative who was not involved in it somehow. Me, I've got a grandfather who was taken prisoner by the Japanese, an uncle who was shot down over Dover, another uncle taken prisoner by the British, a father whose family would have literally starved had they not stolen food to survive, who got to help dig neighbours' body parts out of a bombed-out subway station when he was ten, a family friend who was in the Russian front, another who cried for hours to me, when I was a child, about her beloved brother who had been killed in the war...

Oh but the Nazis have sexy uniforms. Well, that's okay then.

Fuck you.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I don't even need a Nazi kink to go no, no your opinion is wrong.

[world_eater]

the sheer magnitude of it all

lol

Yeah like, rape is something that happens so rarely. Like, I bet there's been more victims of WW2 then victims of rape. Okey-dokey.

[kryss_labryn]

AYRT.

No, I didn't say that rape was rare. I know perfectly well that it's horribly common-place. I deeply wish it wasn't.

But it's not a competition. I did not say that rape was okay because it never actually happened or something like that. It's not a competition.

Rape is wrong. Absolutely. Definitely. Completely.

That doesn't make fetishizing Nazis okay, though. I honestly don't see the connection between the two things. I was simply trying to explain to the OP just why (in my own opinion, of course) people (including me) might have a problem with Nazi kink, despite non-con more or less getting a pass in fandom.

[world_eater]

You want to know why Nazis are treated as different, OP? Why shota and non-con are looked at as YMMV despite how horrible those acts are in real life? It's because of the sheer scale, the sheer magnitude of it all.

But that's what you said, right there. Pedophilia and rape are YKINMK and nazis are off limits because nazis were a big thing. You basically say that pedophilia and rape are not on the same scale as national socialism.

[(Anonymous)]

uh, no, on so many levels. but i applaud your vigor.

On a historical note

[tree_and_leaf]

Parents didn't allow their disabled sons and daughters to be murdered because they were evil muahahaha. They did it because very sympathetic people in lab coats who were supposed to know best managed to persuade them that euthanizing them truly was the kindest thing they could do for their poor, unfortunate children

Actually they mostly didn't allow it at all, they had no idea what had happened until it was too late. At least the majority of the children who were murdered had been institutionalised.* Generally the parents were told that the child had died of complications from their condition, or of pneumonia, or something like that. It came to light partly because some of the children's carers/ regular doctors were horrified and made efforts to protest, and partly because some of the parents managed to put two and two together and realised that what they were being told made no sense.

* I don't know about disabled children who lived at home, but if they were affected at all, they were a very small minority. But generally disabled children, particularly those with mental handicaps, were put in homes, because unfortunately that was what conventional medical wisdom (not just in Germany) said was best for everyone.

Re: On a historical note

[(Anonymous)]

I stand corrected. :)

Re: On a historical note

[tree_and_leaf]

No problem. It's a complicated story, and not as well known as other aspects of the Third Reich...

[(Anonymous)]

It's because of the sheer scale, the sheer magnitude of it all. I dare you to not have one single relative who was not involved in it somehow.

And I bet that you, just like everyone else in the whole damn world, have at least one relative who has been sexually assaulted whether you know it or not. In the US alone one in every four or five women (depending on which study you're looking at) has been raped. That's 20-25%. How is that for a scale?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT.

I do; I know; I was myself.

How does rape being wrong make fetishizing Nazis okay?

[(Anonymous)]

"You know, I think that at least part of it is because no shota or what is ever likely to make real-life paedophilia okay. You know? Like, okay, some people may enjoy reading it, but I don't think that society as a whole is likely to regress to the point of seeing rape or paedophilia as okay or acceptable (let alone right)."

I totally agree.

"And that is not only a danger in and of itself, that by normalizing Naziism we could, far too easily, allow the neo-Nazis more power than anyone that hate-filled should ever have, and potentially lead to a resurgence of that kind of thinking"

We're seeing it in Greece, right now.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT.

Thank you. I am very glad that someone understood what I was trying to say!

[(Anonymous)]

Well fuck you too. People are going to have sexy uniform and Nazi kinks regardless of whether you tell them not to or not.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I dare you to not have one single relative who was not involved in it somehow.

Until I got married, nobody I was related to fought in WWII. I had a grandfather who signed up but he got seriously injured in a training exercise (broke both legs) so he never got shipped out. By the time he was well enough for active duty the war was over.