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⌈ Secret Post #1998 ⌋

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[Peter Gabriel]

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10. [SPOILERS for the Hunger Games]

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[Hetalia]

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[Video Games Awesome Live]

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[Avatar: the Last Airbender]

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[American Horror Story]

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18. [WARNING for dub-con, grooming, brainwashing]

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19. [WARNING FOR general discussion of triggery topics (there's bound to be triggering material in the comments)]

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I would like to point out that that isn't necessarily true. It is stated quite clearly in canon that the girl who was imprinted on will only develop romantic/sexual feelings for the imprintee IF the imprintee develops them first. So Jacob does not have any romantic or sexual feelings for Renesmee, it is biologically impossible for him to until she a) grows up and b) falls in love with him first.

The author's attitude is still creepy as fuck, as I recall she said something along the lines of "the girl does have a choice not to be with the imprinter, but no one would be able to resist that level of devotion" which is eww, but it does not make Jacob a goddamn pedophile, stop using words if you don't know what they mean. (Not specifically talking to you, I'm talking to everyone who complains about this.)

There are still obviously pedophilic/child grooming undertones, since it is essentially assumed by everyone that Renesmee and Jacob will eventually get together.

Yes, but those implications are out-universe, not in.

I'm not denying that it's creepy and unheathly, I just get annoyed when people say that it makes Jacob a pedophile.

The whole relationship is twice as uncomfortable because the shifters are forced to feel a certain way.

Éxcept that is kind of is in-universe too because as I recall, when Renesmee shows Bella her thoughts for the first time Bella sees memories of Jacob with the distinct undertone of 'mine'(/hers, Renesmee's, whichever). Not sure if that is the right quote, but to me this certainly looks like Renesmee wanting to be with him when she's older, if not already (since Meyer decided to just give her an adult's brain because why not >< )

No, it's in universe as well. Remember what Jacob was saying about Quil and Claire? He was saying they'd grow up to be as happy as Sam and Emily. If that wasn't a clear implication of getting together in the future, then what is?

Honestly, I'm MORE disturbed by the fact that those implications are not in-universe. I'd be less disturbed by the whole imprinting thing if it were just written to be what it is - creepy. The fact that she tries to make it sound like a beautiful thing skeeves me out far more than the relationship itself. If written a little more tongue-in-cheek, this sort of thing could be used as fascinating, fucked-up character study.

Actually, I'd have less of problem with Twilight in general if everything in it were written this way. I have no problem with reading stories about creepy relationships that are presented as creepy. I DO, however, have a problem when creepy relationships are held up as the ideal. I would read the SHIT out of a Twilight where Meyers was clever enough to make it a dark relationship drama about a weak-willed girl who romanticizes her vampire boyfriend too much to realize that he is a controlling, violent asshole.

"I would read the SHIT out of a Twilight where Meyers was clever enough to make it a dark relationship drama about a weak-willed girl who romanticizes her vampire boyfriend too much to realize that he is a controlling, violent asshole."

me too, nonnie, me too

Yeah, but the writer is responsible for creating that situation in the first place, no matter how many excuses the story itself presents.

It doesn't matter if it's never ever non-consensual, the whole subplot shouldn't exist to begin with!

Agree completely. SM has some serious problems.

But I wouldn't necessarily say that it shouldn't exist... in the hands of a competent writer who acknowledged the inherent creepiness, it could be interesting.

Oh, I agree.

Frankly, the whole series would be really cool in the hands of a more competent writer.

I've seen some excerpts of the books, read some of the fanfic mentioned elsewhere called "Luminosity", and realized that there is a good story buried beneath the bad writing. Even the characters have the potential to be interesting if they were actually fleshed out, and the thing with the Vulturi (sp?) could be a very exciting action-packed, mystery subplot alongside the romance, if it was all better balanced in terms of how much time/length of the book(s) you dedicate to each (quality aside).

Vulturi (sp?)

Naw, your spelling's better.

(Volturi, since you asked. ionlybothertorememberbecauseofreadingluminositydontjudgeme)

Thanks! I knew I was just a little bit off but I couldn't be bothered to look it up. oTL

I have to catch up with Luminosity. When I last read it, we were only a few chapters into the second book. :O

oh man thank you for reminding me of Luminosity. I really need to get back to reading that.

Oh I can't stand it. It's illegal to hunt wolf in Norway you know, and there is a huge media spetacle whenever anything remotly threatens our wolf population.

I think you replied to the wrong comment.

* I didn't know that about Norway, though! Interesting tidbit!

idk what part you're talking about - I guess I haven't gotten there yet. I'm really only at the beginning.

It may be stated in canon that the girl has to fall first, but how does that explain San and er.... Leah's cousin. He falls for her when she's telling him no - that's why he accidentally hurts her (also, really, really irresponsible for him to be around people when he couldn't control himself). Unless you're going to tell me that Leah's cousin was secretly in love with him (I haven't past the first book).

As far as I recall Emily was only rejecting him because she felt bad for Leah. But it is beyond creepy that he attacked her over rejecting him. I'd forgotten about that and was under the impression that the incident had occurred because of something else, rather than the anger being directed at her. Apparently I give SM too much credit. :/

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