[ SECRET POST #2003 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2003 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[pelespen]

Hm. As someone who is still catching up and just got to the end of Ten, and I loved Ten, I guess I thought it was intentionally written that way? I mean, otherwise, how would Eleven follow up after Ten if Ten just kept being super-awesome-squee-Doctor, you know? *shrug*

[fenm]

otherwise, how would Eleven follow up after Ten if Ten just kept being super-awesome-squee-Doctor, you know?

By also being "super-awesome-squee-Doctor"?

For Pete's sake, Four was in the role for seven years and they didn't feel the need to make him go out like a whining baby to make it easier for Five...

[pelespen]

Yes, but how much massive popularity did Four and Five have in comparison? I'm sorry - I'm not saying that to offend the more long-term and hardcore fans. The point I'm trying to make is that writers have a far better idea of audience, and that audience is far more wide-reaching nowadays, with technology, the internet, the popularity of so-called "geek culture," and general population growth. I just really got the feeling that they were trying to tone down Ten to ease the audience into Eleven. But it's just speculation either way!

(ETA - Just to be clear, I think it's utterly stupid and insulting to our intelligence that the writers might do that, but it just seemed that way to me.)

[fenm]

Well, Four was around for twice as long as Five--indeed, twice as long as MOST of the other Doctors (including the New Who ones). Ten has not had an unusually long run; just three and a half series. Eleven has already had two, and will have at least one more. Four also came at a time where many other countries started getting DW--for example think he was the first Doctor a lot of Americans saw (I know he was my first). So I think it's hard to compare Four's popularity to any of the others--especially the old school ones--since he had so much stacked in his favor. My point was, even then the show was a huge phenomenon, and they had to know it would be something of an issue, and they still didn't feel the need to pull a move like that.

You are right about fandom, and media interaction with it, are very different than they were back in the days of Four and Five (the early 80's).

I dunno, though, I don't buy that Rusty would intentionally do something to make Ten look bad. I honestly think he thought he was giving him depth and stuff... d-:

[pelespen]

I admittedly don't know much about whatever goes on on the writer end of it. It was literally just a vibe. If he was trying to give him depth, it failed rather miserably! ;P

[fenm]

intentionally do something to make Ten look bad.

Let me give a caveat: He wouldn't do that without him getting called out on it, like the Time Lord victorious stuff. But no one called Ten out on his whining, which makes me thing Rusty didn't think it was a bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Four, Tom Baker, is probably the most popular doctor of the classic series. The only reason Ten would be considered most popular is just sheer demographics, you do a poll now, it will be full of people who never watched classic who. Yet a lot more people watched in Four's time. Most BBC shows had millions more viewers than now, of course due to the fact there were only three channels.

I think practically Four would have had more "massive popularity" than any other Doctor, the show started to decline during Five's time, I really don't think your argument holds water there.

[rockpaperlightning]

I have to say I disagree. Oh indeed 4 had a massive amount of popularity, but so did 5. I would say that the show really began to decline in 6's reign, and that was a great deal due to executive meddling trying to destroy the show. But the later classic doc's still have a pretty good amount of fans considering.

[(Anonymous)]

Three was pretty well-known as well...One and Two were not as "famous" because, unfortunately there are missing episodes for Two, and because One was, One, and BBC was surprised, I think, at how well it went over. (I'm biased because I started with Unearthly Child and pretty much worked my way through to Six and bits of Seven, thanks to PBS and syndication.)

I can remember going to Canadian media cons in the 80s, and there was still a lot of Three merch floating around the huckster's tables, probably 50/50 with the Four merch. FWIW.

[(Anonymous)]

I could roll with this idea, if not for how Nine went out.