[ SECRET POST #2008 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2008 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I felt that way about Harry Potter...

[visp.livejournal.com]

Well, that one could be explained away as war marriages and such. But generally, yes - teen romances are for teens, not forever.

[anonymouslyyours]

Every single one of them? I headdesked over the ending of that book so much. It really felt like JKR was just in a hurry to get it over with and just scribbled something out.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying the epilogue wasn't embarrassingly cheesy (and that some of the romances were any good) but I can't expect an author who's spent a decade presenting all these characters to us to pull out new ones out of her ass and pair them up with the established characters for the sake of ~realism~.

Mostly that's my take on it. I don't mind ~forever romances~ if the intended audience is young because the tone of the work is, well, fantasy-ish, really. If I didn't get a detailed, realistic account of how a certain conflict affects people (psychological effects of war/real-life politics, etc) then I'm not gonna expect realistic romance either. It'd be tedious, to be honest.

*This doesn't mean the romance can't be well written. And god knows Makorra was not well written.

[anonymouslyyours]

I agree with everything you just said. Just, for me, the ending was so eye-rolling and I didn't even feel most of it was necessary. It seemed like someone's early attempt at a fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

Double-posting my comment, because... it really wasn't every pairing.

Endgame pairings that started in school:
- James/Lily
- Molly/Arthur
- Harry/Ginny
- Ron/Hermione

Engame pairings that didn't start in school:
- Draco/Astoria
- Neville/Hannah
- Luna/Rolf
- Percy/Audrey
- Bill/Fleur
- Tonks/Remus
- George/Angelina

There are more couples, like Lucius/Narcissa, Alice/Frank, Bellatrix/Rodolphus, Andromeda/Ted, etc, but we don't know if they got together in school or afterwards. So there are actually more couples that DIDN'T start in school. (Angelina going to the ball with Fred doesn't count. That's not dating, and he and Fred are individual people. :P)

[writerserenyty]

Also, that the wizarding community is rather small, comparatively, and that the dating pool is such that you're more likely to marry your school sweetheart just because there's not as many people you could marry.

[chanterofelegies]

Wizards can marry muggles. No, really. It's ok.

[writerserenyty]

They can, but I'd imagine it would be more difficult, I guess? I mean, with other wizards you have so much in common, and I'd imagine the complications of marrying a muggle would lead more wizards to marry other wizards.

[kikkyo]

This and they'd probably be spending more time in the wizard world than in the muggle world unless they made the effort to start a muggle career or otherwise mix after graduating Hogwarts.

[(Anonymous)]

So much this. Maybe if it was just one teenage romance that grew into marriage, but there were so many endgame pairings... I wish Harry had married some unknown Muggle, but that would have caused an uproar in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, I get why JKR did it. I mean, if they had all ended up marrying people that they didn't go to school with, or at least different people from their school it would have been more realistic but you would have had all these people going "What the Christ is this shit? Why is Harry Potter with some woman named [whatever]. FUCK YOU ROWLING WHY HAVE YOU BETRAYED ME". It's just easier to stick them with people familiar to the audience. Honestly, I just wish there hadn't been an epilogue at all and people could have thought they all married whoever the hell wanted them to marry.

On the other hand though, Draco and Percy got to marry random people, when it would have been easier to just say that Percy got with Penny and Draco ended up with Pansy or whatever. And Neville ended up with Hannah Abott, which I didn't see coming but I actually like.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously speaking, why did you (you in particular or anyone reading the thread) think that JKR wrote the Epilogue? Was she truly that sick of the shippers being extremists and wanted to get back at them?

It really would have been better to leave out the Epilogue. Maybe mention how weeks later or something Harry's scar didn't hurt and everyone was working together to rebuild and years later things were peaceful.

I kind sort of see the need to make things come full-circle, but it wasn't necessary to get so detailed with the spouses and children and so on.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, I think she just really didn't want to leave any loose ends. The woman was done writing Harry Potter and I guess she wanted to make that clear. And if she hadn't written an epilogue, there just would have been a ton of people being like "But who did they marry? Did Harry have children? WHY DIDN'T YOU WRITE A FREAKING EPILOGUE OR SOMETHING??" and of course, the epilogue she did write just didn't satisfy a lot of people (including me). The woman couldn't have won either way.

[badass_tiger]

ia about the last part in particular. I've seen a lot of 'Why did Neville marry Hannah and not Luna?!' but I liked that a lot. It shows that Neville grew up enough to branch out in social circles and make friends different from the Golden Trio. And JKR herself said that Luna is too weird for Neville. Not that Neville couldn't appreciate her weirdness or whatever, but just because that's not for him. I agree, and people can ship whatever they want, but that's canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Endgame pairings that started in school:
- James/Lily
- Molly/Arthur
- Harry/Ginny
- Ron/Hermione

Engame pairings that didn't start in school:
- Draco/Astoria
- Neville/Hannah
- Luna/Rolf
- Percy/Audrey
- Bill/Fleur
- Tonks/Remus
- George/Angelina

There are more couples, like Lucius/Narcissa, Alice/Frank, Bellatrix/Rodolphus, Andromeda/Ted, etc, but we don't know if they got together in school or afterwards. So there are actually more couples that DIDN'T start in school. (Angelina going to the ball with Fred doesn't count. That's not dating, and he and Fred are individual people. :P)

Wrong genre

[zogblaster]

Harry Potter is a school story first and a fantasy story second. It fits into a pre-existing genre of stories following children at boarding school. This is probably a good part of why the wizarding world is relatively old-fashioned and modelled on the upper classes: because that's how boarding school stories are. In universe, we have the long life expectancy to blame, but from a writing point of view? She's matching her genre, before tweaking it.

The point? The upper classes tend(ed) to marry people from their own class, and stay married. They tend(ed) to marry relatively young. They tend(ed) to marry people they had known from childhood, who were family friends or friends of friends.

The wizarding world is small. If you're going to marry a British wizard and avoid the potential problems of a muggle/wizard marriage, plus the complication that you're unlikely to get to know many muggles that well, you're going to be marrying someone from Hogwarts. It's not like there's a variety of wizarding universities that people go to, splitting couples up for those years and mixing them with other potential partners.

Re: Wrong genre

[(Anonymous)]

This is an interesting point that I hadn't seen before.

[(Anonymous)]

I did too. ("soulmates"? *gaaaaag*) IMO, JKR is pretty crap at writing romances/relationships, period.

[(Anonymous)]

Back when I was in the Harry Potter fandom I grew so tried of this complaint. Sure, it's not common, but I'm sitting here almost 30 years later next to the boy who sat behind me in math class in high school, so it CAN happen.