[ SECRET POST #2008 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2008 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

#1 It didn't tank.

#2 It wasn't that great of a movie so don't feel bad about missing out on it. I could have waited a week or two and been fine. I wish I had now but my friends were dying to see it opening weekend.

#3 I am so confused as to why people are crowing about Disney films with female leads always getting hitched at the end. Mulan, though implied to have a love interest at the end, was not driven by romance through her story but by family and honor. Alice didn't get a love interest and neither did Lilo. Even films that feature male leads don't always have a love interest (Brother Bear, Treasure Planet, Hunchback to name a few). Yes, princess films typically get princes but it's not set in stone that is MUST happen.

Seriously, I never understood the uproar over Disney films and love interests. (For the record, I am a female who grew up completely in love with Disney films as a child.)

[biohazardgirl]

Why didn't you like it? Not to jump down your throat or anything, I'm just curious because it's probably my favorite princess movie now, and I don't get why some people dislike it.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the anon above but I have to admit that I enjoyed far less than I might have because of all the hype. It built Brave up so much that when I saw it, instead of just taking the film with an 'eh that was kinda good I guess' to 'damn this was disappointing'.

I like that it breaks stereotypes and gender roles, but it was still very average to me. /shrugs

[writerserenyty]

That's what I've heard. It got SO built up for me that I honestly haven't seen it yet because it can't live up to the hype it got. I also got spoiled about it on F!S about the plot and I didn't really like what it seemed like, so.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd still see it, maybe after the hype has had time to die down. It was a good movie, just not great. (I liked it about the same as Tangled, not enough to watch it again alone, but enough to feel like I hadn't wasted too much money).

[(Anonymous)]

Same here I guess. Except the 'breaking stereotypes' thing is so cliche to me at this point. It seems like we get this character a lot that often fights against marriage to represent (I guess?) a feminist struggle. I guess I'm just tired of arranged marriages makes for independent lady plots. (Mulan, Mulan 2, Pocahontas, Brave, to name a few.) I feel like they could have left it out and still held up the Mother-Daughter plot and had more room to flesh them out.

Oddly I kinda hoped the she and the suitors would get together and have adventures as BFFS and they all discover they are more than what their families expect them to be. That was mostly from the promo pics which is probably why I should stop looking at those. Fully forming a plot in your head based on pictures leads to disappointment (KORRA. >:( )

[justvan]

That would've been awesome. I was really disappointed with the super lackluster princes. They were so one-note and pathetic, with no personalities of their own. Each were reduced basically to a stereotype-joke. Ugh. It would've been so much more awesome to see them all off being friends together, rebelling together. It'd be Merida's idea; she'd be the leader, but they'd be her right-hand men. And just. Sigh.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I guess why it's silly when people complain how the male characters are plot device characters, considering everything, but why does it always have to be "female characters have been plot device characters so often, it's only fair if there are male plot device characters as well". Is it too much to ask that secondary characters are not always reduced to cardboard cutouts for slapstick moments, no matter the gender? Not every character can be super deep, sure, but it's always "we can only have one deep character, and that's the main character".

[gabzillaz]

I like you, anon <3

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was really dull. Not much happened that was exciting and it was all really predictable. I laughed and smiled at Merida's brothers and her father (my favorite characters in the movie) but was bored beyond a film with a very small story when the teaser trailers made it seem a lot more epic (I went in hoping for Merida fighting demon bears to save her kingdom and instead got a girl and her troubled relationship with her mother). And Merida just seemed like a really whiny kid to me rather than a free-spirited lead I was supposed to cheer for. In comparison, Tangled (my favorite of the most recent Disney/Pixar films) was fun and exciting, with a lead who I loved and wanted to see succeed in her task.

But thank you for actually asking why I disliked it. Most people, when I tell them I didn't like it and explain why, do indeed jump down my throat and say I must have no taste. You're being very civil and considerate in comparison to others I've talked to. Even one of my best friend's in real life is taking great offense to the fact that I don't adore Brave.

[(Anonymous)]

This was pretty much why I wasn't that impressed with it. I remember not being too excited for Wall-E then I saw it and I was AMAZED and watched it three more times. After seeing Brave in theaters I thought it was okay but it isn't a movie I would watch multiple times. It was pretty unimaginative, especially for a Pixar film, and rather predictable. The only big twist was with her mother and that got spoiled for me (on here no less :P ). I didn't really like Merida either and while Rapunzel was a bit more likeable because she was in a sympathetic situation, she was still a sweetheart and spunky. Merida just seemed whiny and stubborn in comparison.

[(Anonymous)]

Merida was being whiny and stubborn and stupid. That was the point. She had to overcome her flaws and improve as a person.

That, to me, makes her infinitely more interesting than Rapunzel.

[(Anonymous)]

But Merida annoyed me to the point that I didn't care if she overcame her flaws or not. Yes, leads should be flawed but they need to be likable. I didn't like or care about Merida.

[philstar22]

That's what I loved about it: Rather than being this predictable "epic" story that every fantasy movie ever, just about, is, it was about the relationship between a girl and her mother. A relationship where both of them were wrong and had growing to do. And mother/daughter-focused movies are so rare.

To each their own, and nothing wrong with disliking it. I just really enjoyed the smaller story and the relationship focus.

[(Anonymous)]

Even films that feature male leads don't always have a love interest

Replace "even" with "often" and you'll see why people are excited about Merida not needing a romance. It's generally understood that a guy can carry out an action/comedy movie without a necessary romantic subplot, but for a female protagonist, even in an action/comedy, romance is needed. Alice and Lilo got a buy because in Alice's case, it was based on a surrealist book with no romance, and in Lilo's case, she was, like, five. And her sister got the romance instead (less of a romance, more of a relationship though). Mulan didn't get hitched, but the romantic subplot was still included.

Merida isn't a child (presumable 15/16 here?) and carries an action movie without a romance. That kind of is a big deal.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll give you Lilo and Alice but Merida is not really an action movie star as far as I'm concerned. She fires a few arrows that do nothing into the shoulder of a bear (I kept wanting to scream 'Just run away; you're not helping!') and has one sword fight with her father (which was indeed very awesome but all of 30 seconds long).

Mulan? She kicks a lot more ass than Merida. I'd consider her far more of an action star than Merida. Hell, I'd consider Rapunzel from Tangled a better action star than Merida; she's pretty bad ass with her hair whipping and braving a world she knows nothing about.

[gethenian]

Minor nitpicking, but the male lead of Hunchback did have a love interest. The entire plot is driven by both Quasi and Frollo's love for Esmeralda and her attraction to Phoebus.

And it's even more convoluted in the book. In the book, Phoebus has a fiancee, Esmeralda is MARRIED, and her husband is really in love with the goat.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but Quasi didn't get the girl. That's why I love it so much because he really does love her but he doesn't get her in the end. It showed three different sides of love: lust (Frollo), naive almost childlike adoration (Quasi), and real genuine love (Phoebus).

[gethenian]

Have you read the book? Because it shows way more than three sides of love. WAY more.

[gabzillaz]

IA about #3.

[chanterofelegies]

Quasimodo did have a love interest. He didn't get to be with her, but he had one.

[(Anonymous)]

See my reply above.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen Brave yet, so I can't comment on the movie itself, but just regarding your point about Alice and Lilo, that probably also has to do with the fact that they're kids. Adult/teenage female characters nearly always get a love story, and the same isn't true for adult/teenage male characters. Not everyone has to be the champion of every cause, though, so it's fine that you aren't all that interested in Disney movie feminism.