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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

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A particular bad guy might be everything you said, but you could never be sure of that. To paraphrase from one of the awesome narrations from Burn Notice, if you steal with a guy, you know he's a thief; if you kill with a guy, you know he's a murderer; if you do any crime at all with him, you know he's a liar; and if you take over the world with him, you know he doesn't like to share power. So, unless this scenario involves telepathy, you could never know if he was thinking of turning on you at some point. Ever. Trust problems are standard issue on the evil side of the morality spectrum.

That is the best quote ever for this. +1!

Trust problems are standard issue in every relationship, whatever morals someone may claim to have. With good guys, you also can never be sure of when or why they'll justify an exception to their own morals or promises to you (especially for the "greater good"), and if you'll be in the middle of those consequences. An outright villain, if you're practical dealing with them, there's no such illusions, no expectation of blind faith. If you know he steals, you don't leave shit lying around; you know he kills, you make yourself valuable alive; you know he lies, you verify his claims instead of trusting them. You know already, so while you can't pinpoint the exact moment of future betrayal, you know it's coming and have an option to prepare or accept. There is no trust to lose.

Not saying any of this is a smart life plan, but it's about as smart as blind faith in someone's largely theoretical morality. Some people would rather know the devil than take a chance in the deep blue sea.

So, since you know that this person can't be trusted at the outset...don't go falling in love with them and assuming they'll let you share their power when they take over the world!

Also, we're not talking about theoretical morality, we're talking about someone's observable actions and the conclusions you can draw from them. With good guys, once you observe that they are good, you can pretty safely figure they won't betray your trust without some pretty exceptional circumstances to push them into it. With bad guys, well...they're bad. They're not trustworthy by definition.

Nah, I didn't say anything about love or making assumptions. Knowing that your partner is bad, if you're practical, like I said, you'll know to be wary of them at all times. Good guys tend to feel entitled to trust by virtue of being good and react badly at being treated with wariness, even if it's just common sense to do so.

But, okay, let's go with proven morality. I think you're wrongfully conflating being "good" with being "trustworthy". Say you trust something illegal you've done with your partner and they decide to turn you in because it's the good thing to do, even if it betrays your trust. They decided they'd make a concession to general morality (i.e. being loyal) in a specific case. Because they mean well, they're still good guys, but it doesn't change the harm they've done to you, personally. I don't see how that's an improvement over a bad guy turning on you for a less moral reason. You've been betrayed either way. So, not saying the bad guy is trustworthy, I'm saying that nobody is, but at least the bad guy, you might expect it.

+1 to your whole second paragraph.

I...was going to do a longish post on my disagreements, but the short version is, I don't think I agree with anything in your second paragraph. Including the example you're using. But, I am lazy and sleepy and this conversation is very hypothetical already, so in my current state, I don't think I'm quite up for abstract moral philosophy. Besides, if we're not talking about falling in love with the bad guy or making assumptions that you can rule by their side, then we aren't really talking about the OP's secret any more.

However, I genuinely appreciate the conversation and your thought-provoking posts. :)

Yeah, I kinda got lost along the path of comparing the inherent worthiness of good guys to bad guy in personal relationships, instead of inherent worthiness of hooking up with a world-breaking tyrant, lol.

But ditto, thanks for your posts, too! I love a good hypothetical conversation. ^^

Burn Notice, my precious ~~back when you were good~~

I have such a thing for the way Jeffery Donovan narrates that show. Just the tone of his voice man!

IKR? I love the deadpan/ironic narration. TBH I miss it, since it seems like there's less of it in the past few seasons.

I haven't watched it for a while. If guess you just validated that choice then!

I started to fall out of love with it once Jesse was introduced(I never really liked him), and, IMHO, it could have ended when Michael got his job back. Instead, they've dragged it out another two seasons, and while my brother says it's great, I just got incredibly bored.

I stopped watching around that time. I didn't have anything against Jesse exactly I just didn't get him and there wasn't that much going on anyway.

I think that's why I didn't like him; he felt unnecessary(and his plot felt so contrived :/), especially when that season concluded with Michael finally, finally, after all that work, getting unburned, and he walked away with everything he wanted.

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