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How is lending/borrowing a book/movie/cd stealing?

Yes, online piracy is doing that massively, but the principle is the same.

Furthermore, the profit they supposedly lost is imaginary, because they can't be sure everyone would have bought it if it wasn't for piracy.

And what about the profit they do gain because someone got to know something thanks to the so hated piracy?

From what I understand, part of my city's library funding is actually used to pay authors of borrowed books. Even if the author will receive only a few cents for it, the library is obligated to give the author the money.

Another difference between online piracy and lending/borrowing is that when lending/borrowing happens irl, the owner no longer has immediate access to item being borrowed/lent out until the item is returned. With online piracy, both the "borrower" and the original owner has access to the item at the same time and there is no obligation for the "borrower" to return the item.

Each country has their own law on lending/borrowing and making back-up copies of digital works. Yet, they also have a different set of laws on piracy. The different laws exist because piracy and lending/borrowing are not the same thing at all.

tl;dr - not arguing for or against piracy, but dammit stop saying piracy = lending/borrowing a book/movie/cd

With online piracy, both the "borrower" and the original owner has access to the item at the same time

And some corporation is getting all butthurt over this fact? :) Oh, horror of horrors! :D

I never said corporations are getting all butthurt over this fact.

But say I'm at a friends house. She lends me a CD I've been wanting to listen to. I pop it in my computer, rip the music, and hand it right back.

She did lend me the CD. It was hers to do as she pleases. But I still "stole" music.

Where does that fall?

If the music on the CD is in public domain of where you are, making a copy is not illegal at all. If the music on the CD is copyrighted, you making a rip of your friend's CD is probably copyright infringement. This is dependent on the laws governing where you are because

-some countries have no copyright laws; making and distributing copies is not illegal
-some countries say only making a profit from copies is illegal
-some countries say only distribution is illegal; it's okay to receive copies of the copyrighted work but making the work available for other people or the general public is illegal
-some countries say both acquiring (through non-legal means) and distributing copyrighted works without consent are illegal

But still. SHE. OWNS. THE CD. She can make a copy how she sees fit. I don't agree that it's illegal. At all. She owns it and lets me rip it for myself. If that bothered her, she'd tell me to fuck off and buy a copy myself. But since SHE owns the CD, it's not illegal. To me and to many other people.

> SHE. OWNS. THE CD. She can make a copy how she sees fit.

Yes your friend can do whatever she wants with the CD. She can make a copy. She can make a hundred copies. She can even destroy the CD if she wants.

However, making a copy of the CD may or may not be illegal. In some countries, making one copy for back-up is okay. In other countries, making any number of copies is not illegal. In yet other countries even making a personal backup - especially if the CD is protected by DRM - is illegal. It depends on the laws governing where your friend is at.

> I don't agree that it's illegal. At all.

This is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. There are laws governing where I'm from that I do not agree with either.

> She owns it and lets me rip it for myself. If that bothered her, she'd tell me to fuck off and buy a copy myself. But since SHE owns the CD, it's not illegal. To me and to many other people.

Just because you don't think this is not illegal, and just because many other people don't think this is not illegal either, doesn't make it legal. Only your country's copyright laws dictate whether ripping another person's CD is legal in your country or not.

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