[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[anonymouslyyours]

The way I understand it the piracy is not theft of material but theft of the work and the profit that would be made if the pirate had come by it through legal means?

[(Anonymous)]

but if you dont have the money to begin with, what profit are they losing? there is no profit to be made from somebody who doesnt have the money to pay.

[insanenoodlyguy]

None, but you don't have a right to that work.

Stop pretending you aren't stealing. I do it, but at least I admit what I am.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't pirate personally. if i read comics it's unlicensed and they wouldn't be getting money from me anyway.

i can just also see that people with no money = companies not getting money no matter what, so they arent losing even "potential gain" because there is no potential there.

[ariakas]

They're not stealing, though. That's anon's whole point: it's not theft, it's piracy. You can say piracy's wrong, but you can't say it's theft.

[visp.livejournal.com]

It may not be what you consider "theft" but it's stealing.

[ariakas]

It's not "what I consider" theft, it's not legally theft. It's piracy. To commit theft = to steal, ergo, piracy =/= stealing. Piracy = copyright infringement.

Yes it's wrong. But it isn't theft. You didn't steal anything. You infringed on the copyright by accessing and distributing unlicensed copies of a copyrighted material.

Words. Mean. Things.

[(Anonymous)]

Here you are again, with your dumb as shit self!

OP

[(Anonymous)]

And I have no problem with you because you aren't trying to justify it. It's specifically people who tell me that they can't afford it that make me boil because shit, just admit what you're doing isn't right. Don't feed me garbage about how you only read scans because you can't afford the manga. I don't believe you'd buy it even if you could. ("You" being the person who's trying to justify it, not you insanenoodlyguy.)

Re: OP

[world_eater]

That's not what you said at all tho. Just sayin', you specifically complained that people who pirate steal should find shit they can afford.

Re: OP

[diet_poison]

you specifically complained that people...should find shit they can afford.

Am I the only one who felt that smacked of...well...asshattery? It rubbed me wrong when I first read the secret tbh

Re: OP

[insanenoodlyguy]

and that's the real key isn't it? People are trying to make this a semantics fight, but the point is, that is some inappropriate shit.

I found as my monetary situation improved (and the advent of steam for games) I haven't done more then the occasional mp3 in the last few years.

Which doens't put me in some great tier here, I'm not trying to argue by degrees, I just try not to be a hypocrite about it.

Re: OP

[otakugal15]

I think you don't give a lot of us who pirate a lot of credit. I have some movies downloaded that I would LOOOOOOOOOVE to have physical, legit copies of. But I'm flat broke. So I downloaded them to watch in my down time. They happen to be shit quality. But, once I'm hired somewhere and can actually have some money to spare? I'm buying that shit. Especially since some of it isn't on my boyfriend's netflix.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

There's also a difference between 'can't afford' and 'don't choose to'. In a day and age where a basic tv plan (particularly if it comes with on demand) and internet connection can keep you occupied for many, many hours more free time than you actually have, even if you stuck to perfectly legal offerings, it's not always easy to justify making the 'entertainment' slice of your budget pie any bigger than it already is.

Maybe it is hypocritical, letting others support the creators financially so they can continue to produce content for you to enjoy - kind of like the activists whose un-vaccinated kids still take advantage of herd immunity - but is it truly, unequivocally worse than not being a fan at all?

[world_eater]

And we're back on the theft vs piracy debate again :P

[insanenoodlyguy]

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CARRRRRR!

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

No intent to permanently deprive = not theft yo.

Check your ptps bro.

And discussing it in terms of rights is pretty interesting, when any number of pirates (and non pirates for that matter) think the system is fundamentally broken, and wish to fight da powah. Their arguments have some element of truth to them.

[insanenoodlyguy]

If they acknowledge that they at are deliberately and consciously doing this for an intended purpose, I respect them a hell of a lot more then those who make excuses. They are not hypocrites.

[majorshipper]

The discussion as to copyright rights and copyright infringement and theft vs. piracy can have some really fascinating elements, and, tbh, I agree with a lot of pirate theory(and the name, the name) when it comes to the future of industries as the internet and piracy continue to grow.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

How is lending/borrowing a book/movie/cd stealing?

Yes, online piracy is doing that massively, but the principle is the same.

Furthermore, the profit they supposedly lost is imaginary, because they can't be sure everyone would have bought it if it wasn't for piracy.

And what about the profit they do gain because someone got to know something thanks to the so hated piracy?

Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[(Anonymous)]

From what I understand, part of my city's library funding is actually used to pay authors of borrowed books. Even if the author will receive only a few cents for it, the library is obligated to give the author the money.

Another difference between online piracy and lending/borrowing is that when lending/borrowing happens irl, the owner no longer has immediate access to item being borrowed/lent out until the item is returned. With online piracy, both the "borrower" and the original owner has access to the item at the same time and there is no obligation for the "borrower" to return the item.

Each country has their own law on lending/borrowing and making back-up copies of digital works. Yet, they also have a different set of laws on piracy. The different laws exist because piracy and lending/borrowing are not the same thing at all.

tl;dr - not arguing for or against piracy, but dammit stop saying piracy = lending/borrowing a book/movie/cd

Re: Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[(Anonymous)]

With online piracy, both the "borrower" and the original owner has access to the item at the same time

And some corporation is getting all butthurt over this fact? :) Oh, horror of horrors! :D

Re: Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[(Anonymous)]

I never said corporations are getting all butthurt over this fact.

Re: Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[otakugal15]

But say I'm at a friends house. She lends me a CD I've been wanting to listen to. I pop it in my computer, rip the music, and hand it right back.

She did lend me the CD. It was hers to do as she pleases. But I still "stole" music.

Where does that fall?

Re: Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[(Anonymous)]

If the music on the CD is in public domain of where you are, making a copy is not illegal at all. If the music on the CD is copyrighted, you making a rip of your friend's CD is probably copyright infringement. This is dependent on the laws governing where you are because

-some countries have no copyright laws; making and distributing copies is not illegal
-some countries say only making a profit from copies is illegal
-some countries say only distribution is illegal; it's okay to receive copies of the copyrighted work but making the work available for other people or the general public is illegal
-some countries say both acquiring (through non-legal means) and distributing copyrighted works without consent are illegal