[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[insanenoodlyguy]

None, but you don't have a right to that work.

Stop pretending you aren't stealing. I do it, but at least I admit what I am.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't pirate personally. if i read comics it's unlicensed and they wouldn't be getting money from me anyway.

i can just also see that people with no money = companies not getting money no matter what, so they arent losing even "potential gain" because there is no potential there.

[ariakas]

They're not stealing, though. That's anon's whole point: it's not theft, it's piracy. You can say piracy's wrong, but you can't say it's theft.

[visp.livejournal.com]

It may not be what you consider "theft" but it's stealing.

[ariakas]

It's not "what I consider" theft, it's not legally theft. It's piracy. To commit theft = to steal, ergo, piracy =/= stealing. Piracy = copyright infringement.

Yes it's wrong. But it isn't theft. You didn't steal anything. You infringed on the copyright by accessing and distributing unlicensed copies of a copyrighted material.

Words. Mean. Things.

[visp.livejournal.com]

Yes, words mean things. Words like 'theft,' 'burglary,' 'embezzlement' 'larceny by trick' 'fraudulent misrepresentation' all have their own specific legal meanings. 'Stealing,' on the other hand, isn't a legal term, it's a more blanket term, defined in the kindergarten rules as 'taking without asking' and so using another word's legal definition to try and argue that something's not stealing is... kinda non sequitur.

[(Anonymous)]

Here you are again, with your dumb as shit self!

[(Anonymous)]

shuddap and stop swearing at people u nincompoop

OP

[(Anonymous)]

And I have no problem with you because you aren't trying to justify it. It's specifically people who tell me that they can't afford it that make me boil because shit, just admit what you're doing isn't right. Don't feed me garbage about how you only read scans because you can't afford the manga. I don't believe you'd buy it even if you could. ("You" being the person who's trying to justify it, not you insanenoodlyguy.)

Re: OP

[world_eater]

That's not what you said at all tho. Just sayin', you specifically complained that people who pirate steal should find shit they can afford.

Re: OP

[diet_poison]

you specifically complained that people...should find shit they can afford.

Am I the only one who felt that smacked of...well...asshattery? It rubbed me wrong when I first read the secret tbh

Re: OP

[insanenoodlyguy]

and that's the real key isn't it? People are trying to make this a semantics fight, but the point is, that is some inappropriate shit.

I found as my monetary situation improved (and the advent of steam for games) I haven't done more then the occasional mp3 in the last few years.

Which doens't put me in some great tier here, I'm not trying to argue by degrees, I just try not to be a hypocrite about it.

Re: OP

[otakugal15]

I think you don't give a lot of us who pirate a lot of credit. I have some movies downloaded that I would LOOOOOOOOOVE to have physical, legit copies of. But I'm flat broke. So I downloaded them to watch in my down time. They happen to be shit quality. But, once I'm hired somewhere and can actually have some money to spare? I'm buying that shit. Especially since some of it isn't on my boyfriend's netflix.

Re: OP

[majorshipper]

Agreed completely. Now that I have a steady income, I'm slowly starting to replace my copies with actual boxsets, and it's glorious.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

da

I pirate games all the time. Why? Because demo rarely exist and I'm incredably sick of buying a game, getting 2 hours into it, it's SHIT, but I cannot return it because I only play PC and nearly all PC games have an online aspect or potential DLC - classifying it as an online game so I CAN'T RETURN IT. Even if the sign up and DLC is untouched.

So now, when I see a new game out? I pirate that shit, decide if it's enjoyable, THEN go buy it.

Not ranting at you, just a general rant at my frustration for a way to try games before buying.

Lets say Diablo 3 made a good move throwing out a demo. Because I played it, enjoyed it, then bought the game.
Fable 3 on the otherhand is a waste of space.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Or it's not the lack of money, but, you know, the lack of legit stuff you could buy. Say, I'd love to buy some books printed a couple of decades ago or books printed in small quantities. However, I cannot do so because they are not sold anymore. When you don't have permanent access to a large library, piracy might very well be the only way out.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

There's also a difference between 'can't afford' and 'don't choose to'. In a day and age where a basic tv plan (particularly if it comes with on demand) and internet connection can keep you occupied for many, many hours more free time than you actually have, even if you stuck to perfectly legal offerings, it's not always easy to justify making the 'entertainment' slice of your budget pie any bigger than it already is.

Maybe it is hypocritical, letting others support the creators financially so they can continue to produce content for you to enjoy - kind of like the activists whose un-vaccinated kids still take advantage of herd immunity - but is it truly, unequivocally worse than not being a fan at all?

[world_eater]

And we're back on the theft vs piracy debate again :P

[insanenoodlyguy]

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CARRRRRR!

[(Anonymous)]

FUCK YOU I WOULD IF I COULD!

[world_eater]

[Edit]
Okay this is not working have a link:
http://youtu.be/1bxqt0siy34

slightly OT but

[sky_queen3]

I've seen those 'ads' in Australia, do they do those 'ads' worldwide?

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

No intent to permanently deprive = not theft yo.

Check your ptps bro.

And discussing it in terms of rights is pretty interesting, when any number of pirates (and non pirates for that matter) think the system is fundamentally broken, and wish to fight da powah. Their arguments have some element of truth to them.

[insanenoodlyguy]

If they acknowledge that they at are deliberately and consciously doing this for an intended purpose, I respect them a hell of a lot more then those who make excuses. They are not hypocrites.

[majorshipper]

The discussion as to copyright rights and copyright infringement and theft vs. piracy can have some really fascinating elements, and, tbh, I agree with a lot of pirate theory(and the name, the name) when it comes to the future of industries as the internet and piracy continue to grow.