[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I can't believe I'm saying this YET AGAIN, and I don't want to get involved in anymore drama about this, but piracy != theft.

Theft removes the original.

Piracy makes a copy.

Theft would be me going into Barnes and Noble and grabbing the book off the shelf, stuffing it in my pants, and running out of the store. Scanlations/piracy in general would be like if I went into the store, took a copy machine with me, and Xeroxed the book, then put it back on the shelf. I didn't remove the original book.

You lot can fight until the cows come home about whether or not that's morally correct, but it is no way, shape, or form the same thing as theft.

/former inventory manager for a national chain retail store

[(Anonymous)]

This.

If you legit cannot afford the original, guess what? They're not getting any money from you anyway.

(If you do have the cash handy but claim you can't pay and pirate, that's another matter.)

[(Anonymous)]

how is that relevant to this secret, Mr/Ms Pedant?

[(Anonymous)]

da

because the secret specifically says "stealing"?

[(Anonymous)]

Because they specifically say that reading scanlations is stealing. Which it is not.

[anonymouslyyours]

The way I understand it the piracy is not theft of material but theft of the work and the profit that would be made if the pirate had come by it through legal means?

[(Anonymous)]

but if you dont have the money to begin with, what profit are they losing? there is no profit to be made from somebody who doesnt have the money to pay.

[insanenoodlyguy]

None, but you don't have a right to that work.

Stop pretending you aren't stealing. I do it, but at least I admit what I am.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't pirate personally. if i read comics it's unlicensed and they wouldn't be getting money from me anyway.

i can just also see that people with no money = companies not getting money no matter what, so they arent losing even "potential gain" because there is no potential there.

[ariakas]

They're not stealing, though. That's anon's whole point: it's not theft, it's piracy. You can say piracy's wrong, but you can't say it's theft.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

And I have no problem with you because you aren't trying to justify it. It's specifically people who tell me that they can't afford it that make me boil because shit, just admit what you're doing isn't right. Don't feed me garbage about how you only read scans because you can't afford the manga. I don't believe you'd buy it even if you could. ("You" being the person who's trying to justify it, not you insanenoodlyguy.)

[world_eater]

And we're back on the theft vs piracy debate again :P

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

No intent to permanently deprive = not theft yo.

Check your ptps bro.

And discussing it in terms of rights is pretty interesting, when any number of pirates (and non pirates for that matter) think the system is fundamentally broken, and wish to fight da powah. Their arguments have some element of truth to them.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

How is lending/borrowing a book/movie/cd stealing?

Yes, online piracy is doing that massively, but the principle is the same.

Furthermore, the profit they supposedly lost is imaginary, because they can't be sure everyone would have bought it if it wasn't for piracy.

And what about the profit they do gain because someone got to know something thanks to the so hated piracy?

Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[(Anonymous)]

From what I understand, part of my city's library funding is actually used to pay authors of borrowed books. Even if the author will receive only a few cents for it, the library is obligated to give the author the money.

Another difference between online piracy and lending/borrowing is that when lending/borrowing happens irl, the owner no longer has immediate access to item being borrowed/lent out until the item is returned. With online piracy, both the "borrower" and the original owner has access to the item at the same time and there is no obligation for the "borrower" to return the item.

Each country has their own law on lending/borrowing and making back-up copies of digital works. Yet, they also have a different set of laws on piracy. The different laws exist because piracy and lending/borrowing are not the same thing at all.

tl;dr - not arguing for or against piracy, but dammit stop saying piracy = lending/borrowing a book/movie/cd

Re: Online piracy =/= lending/borrowing

[(Anonymous)]

With online piracy, both the "borrower" and the original owner has access to the item at the same time

And some corporation is getting all butthurt over this fact? :) Oh, horror of horrors! :D

[(Anonymous)]

Not totally relevant, but I used to work for Barnes and Noble, and I much prefer the people who download manga illegally over the internet to the folks who come in, clutter the manga aisle and make booksellers weave around them or trip over them, leave piles of books in random corners, get them all dirty, never buy them anyway, leave them unsellable in the process, and just in general make a disaster of things. I don't even care, I wished we didn't stock them then and I pity the poor bastards who have to deal with them now.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't Barnes and Noble have a strict "so sitting in the aisle reading manga" policy now, or is it just my store? That really seemed to cut down on people coming in and reading whole series in-store.

And as I recall Borders started packaging all their manga in plastic to keep it from happening before they went under...

[(Anonymous)]

They didn't package all their manga that way, and something being in a package doesn't always stop people from opening it. When I worked and Bed, Bath, and Beyond it was actually so bad that the managers actually told us to go over and literally take the next package away from them, tell them 'Let me help you with this Sir/Mame' and rip it open for them to try to *embarrass* them out of the behavior. [For the record, this was because we had several clients would ignore us when we asked them to stop and open every. Single. Package of whatever item they were interested in [like all of x color of sheet, that kind of thing]]

[(Anonymous)]

*former B&N employee fistbump*

FUCKING THIS. I am not a violent person, but I wanted to throttle those kids who would come in, rip off the shrinkwrap on the 18+ manga, shove it in the back of the shelf with their straw wrappers, and then stuff the books themselves in the sci-fi section covered in cookie crumbs and caramel drizzle. More so because a lot of them were not even kids. I will take piracy any day.

[(Anonymous)]

It's ALWAYS people who read manga who do this, too. In B&Ns that I've been in all over the country, it's the same. You never see that shit in any other aisle.

[darkmanifest]

Oh, wow, I didn't know people were that awful. I used to try to be so careful not to crease the spine or leave any marks on manga I was reading in the store, and put them back where I found them. I haaaaaate people who can't seem to go near a piece of paper without fucking it up.

Also how the hell would you even try to read in the manga aisle without dozens of kids dodging around you to get to the shelves? Who'd be stupid enough to fight that battle?

[(Anonymous)]

So...uh...did they steal my job?

Because, yeah, I no longer have the original job I had because people were downloading the game the company I worked for...which folded.

Thanks guys! No more games for you! :D

[(Anonymous)]

Gaming companies went bankrupt before piracy was a big thing.

[world_eater]

Yeah sure.