[ SECRET POST #2031 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2031 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/TaioK.png

Spoiler Alert -

[morieris]

Even though the movie is two years old...Hey, he was prepared to let the others burn in a furnace, I thought his "punishment" was oddly minor for what he had done, even if it was from deep personal hurt.

Re: Spoiler Alert -

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit it came out two years ago? ;____;

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, right. And here I was seething about the fact that he wasn't shredded by a stray lawnmower for leaving the toys to die in a furnace when he only had to reach out a yank a level to save them, after begging Woody and Buzz to risk their lives to save him.

Look, I can stretch my mind enough to root for redemption and happy endings for genocidal maniacs and fascist dictators, but I draw the line at bitter dickholes who betray and try to melt a bunch of sentient kids' toys for the lulz. Priorities out of whack? Yeah, but I honestly don't care.

[sparklywalls]

I thought he probably got better than he deserved tbh.

This is weird for me because in the pre-Toy Story days when I imagined my toys were actually alive, I never imagined any of them would be assholes. So as well as the saying goodbye to your childhood element of the film, I experienced a total mindfuck when adult me realised "actually, there's some shitty people out there, why would sentient toys be any different?"

[gabzillaz]

He deserved worse imo.

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

This - even if it was a kids movie, they'd crossed enough other lines that is being strapped to the front the back would have been worse IMO of a garbage truck really a 'punishment fits the crime' thing?

Seriously Movie Makers - made me cry with this movie, so now I demand justice!

[biohazardgirl]

Yeah he didn't get punished enough imo. The clown and the baby had the same miserable experience and they didn't turn out in the end to be vengeful jackholes, so why should Lotso have an excuse? He had his chance for redemption and he blew it; he deserves eternal punishment on the front of a truck.

[elaminator]

The clown and the baby had the same miserable experience and they didn't turn out in the end to be vengeful jackholes, so why should Lotso have an excuse?

This.

I also wish he could've had a happy ending, but before he turned into a murderous asshole; at that point he deserves what he got and more.

[(Anonymous)]

They weren't replaced like he was.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice to see everyone in this thread lacks empathy.

[(Anonymous)]

He tried to kill them after they risked their lives to save his.
That is bear that lacks empathy. Lotso is one of the most evil characters I think I've ever seen in... I want to say a kids movie, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a character more evil than him.

So I suppose if someone tried to kill you, you'd just totally forgive them, right?

[(Anonymous)]

we don't think that a character who tried to burn everyone else alive deserved a happy ending and this means we lack empathy...? his freudian excuse only works for so much, sorry

[(Anonymous)]

Meh. He made his own bed.

[herongale]

I would have been happier if he'd just been destroyed fair and square.

God, the whole Toy Story mythos basically creeps me out. So much fucking fridge horror. It breaks my heart to contemplate a universe where most toys suffer in some kind of semi-eternal tortured state of brokenness and abandonment regardless of the good or evil they do in their toy lifetimes. Even the main heroes? I don't see the ending they get as happy... it's just that their ultimate similar fate has been deferred, "tastefully" taken off-screen so kids and less thoughtful adults can wallow in cheap sentimentality... only to maybe eventually realize that it's a hell tale of torment and pointless suffering, even for the heroes.

I... kind of hate the Toy Story trilogy. Everything about it. It's such a dark and unhappy story, ultimately.

[biohazardgirl]

. . .That hurts my heart.

I kind of like that they did address the darkness though in the third movie. Maybe the movie makers are just trying to say that every touch of happiness or narrow brush away from death for humans is just us also slightly deferring our rest in eternal purgatory & torment. . .because what is life even really but a hell tale of torment and pointless suffering mixed with slight moments of joy that will soon be crushed by more suffering. . .

*ahem* I'm going to go hug Kafka's "Metamorphosis" now and eat chocolate ice cream and have a good cry.

[(Anonymous)]

lol i kind of have to agree even though i really love the first one. my friend said when she was a kid she had nightmares because she felt so bad for not playing with her toys enough.

[intrigueing]

Dude, it's very possible that I've never seen someone miss the point of a film as completely as you have. The point which is, that life — having friends, being loved, holding onto hope — is good and worth living despite all the shit that goes along with it. Who's to say that a toy's brokenness and abandonment is any different from a human being's old age? Who says their pointless suffering is any different than human beings' pointless undeserved suffering? Who's to say their happiness in spite of their suffering is any less valid than human beings' happiness in spite of their suffering? Woody made it pretty clear that he thought that some things in life, like being loved by Andy and having friends around him, was worth all the hardship in the world over an eternal life of unchanging safety in a museum. I think that's extremely comforting and hopeful and uplifting, not "dark and unhappy".

This kind of "omg, the presence of darkness = ALL DARKNESS AND PURE MISERY ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE HAPPINESS THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IS A LIE BECAUSE SUFFERING HAS THE ABILITY TO INVALIDATE HAPPINESS" reading is so shallow it makes me want to laugh, and the fact that people think they've struck upon some deep and mature understanding that is better than everyone else's understanding makes me want to laugh even harder.

[(Anonymous)]

So did I. I thought he was going to get some form of redemption since he got a sympathetic backstory, but I'm guessing some Disney exec vetoed that option.

[biohazardgirl]

Huh. I have opposite thinking. I think the Disney exec probably would have voted FOR the redemption and Pixar would have pointed at their movie and said 'really? How about no.'

[(Anonymous)]

He made his own hell long before he got tied to that truck.

[otakugal15]

....he left them to die.

Sorry. His sadness and anger at being left behind, by accident, turned into hatred, resentment, and revenge. He cared about no one but himself.

He had a chance at a happy ending and he shoved it right back into their faces.

So...no. He didn't deserve a happier ending. His ending was too soft in my opinion. But, it was a family movie, so he couldn't get anything worse.

[serenitysquid]

So much discussion in this thread about Lotso and morality and the true meaning of Toy Story, and all I can think of is how watching this movie made me want to dig all my old toys out of my closet and hug them and say "I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU."

[zombieroadtrip]

Lotso is a fantastic villain and his punishment was fitting. He went on and on about how toys were all ultimately worthless playthings and garbage throughout the movie, meant to be used and thrown away, and he ended up on the front of a garbage truck, ultimately to probably be slowly shredded to pieces by the elements.

If you want redemption you can always say that after a great deal of contemplation on the front of that garbage truck, maybe he escaped and made a home for himself and other discarded toys at the dump. I always picture him wearing a cloak and carrying a cane in this scenario.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think he was punished at all. Think about it, the guy who picked him up and strapped him to the front of the truck showed endearment to Lotso because he used to own one as a kid. So the truck driver has some degree of love to want to keep him, even if it's not how a toy would want to be "played" with.