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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-25 06:50 pm

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Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
This isn't so much about fandom, actually, more about... I don't know, identities that are par for the course in fandom but practically taboo IRL. I mentioned "transgender" once to someone in passing, and she looked at me like I'd grown three heads.

Has anyone else had this kind of experience?

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I've had the opposite; it wasn't until after fandom/the internet that I noticed how ingrained homophobia, transphobia, racism, etc. are into my culture when I hear older relatives discuss those topics in passing (mostly because of the news) and I can't bring myself to respond because they already consider themselves to be open-minded and I just realized how very much they are not and at this point of their lives I really don't want to upset them and... yeah. :(

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I joked that a friend of mine might be asexual to my roommate (the worst roommate ever. If you're reading, Nicole, I hope you die a painful death!), and she immediately insisted that it was impossible to not want sex.

That was awkward.

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
I hate that people like this exist. Not the people themselves, but the culture(s) that engendered that mentality.
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Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

[personal profile] fenm 2012-07-26 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
I have a friend who feels like this (he may or may not read this; I know he reads F!S, and if he sees my screen name...). He's not a jerk about it or anything, but.. I want to write more asexual stuff (I think Sherlock can be read as asexual, and I'd like to explore that), but since he's the guy I talk to about my story ideas, it feels... awkward.

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. For instance...

Me: I'm a feminist.

Friend: *wrinkles nose* Ew, seriously?

IRL, it's considered an insult to a lot of misinformed people.

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
That's because a lot of feminists unfortunately seem to work very hard to be unlikable in the name grrrl power(!!!), giving us all a bad rep.

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
That's because a lot of feminists unfortunately have been smeared by conservatives, giving us all a bad rep.

Fixed that for you.
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[personal profile] tinfoil_hats 2012-07-27 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't say "a lot of feminists" act that way. It seems very much a "vocal minority" sort of thing; the most memorable members of any given group tend to be the ones that get on our nerves, and that kind of sours the idea to everybody else.
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Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2012-07-26 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
I like that about fandom. I can talk about women and finding them attractive and can talk other bi, gay, pan, trans, asexual etc. (sorry if I left you out) people and we can be ourselves. I literally do not know any not straight or out of the closet people irl (unless my Facebook friends list counts) so fandom is good for opening my eyes to other sexualities, mind sets, ways of life, etc.
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Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

[personal profile] inkdust 2012-07-26 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Aw. I'm glad you've found that here. I also hope you meet some RL people, because they're totally there.
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Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

[personal profile] thene 2012-07-26 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I hate when this happens, but at the same time, people live and learn. Last fall a coworker of mine got outed as transsexual among a small group of gossiping supervisors, and I swear some people were sounding like it was the most exciting thing that had happened to them all year. :/ But you know what? They were then faultlessly respectful to him and didn't tell anyone else at all.

On the whole people are (or at least want others to think they are) nice to each other, at least within social situations. It's pretty well-established that the main factor that influences how people feel about LGBT rights is whether they know anyone who's out as LGBT, and I'm sure the same goes for many other identities; of course, in the meantime, it's not always safe to be out.

I have a general rule for discussing this kind of topic with non-informed people and it's to avoid jargon at all costs, especially stuff like privilege; just talking about fairness and respect gets through to pretty much everyone who it's worth getting through to.

Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-26 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
I have a general rule for discussing this kind of topic with non-informed people and it's to avoid jargon at all costs, especially stuff like privilege; just talking about fairness and respect gets through to pretty much everyone who it's worth getting through to.

This seems like a good idea. All the jargon might as well be an exotic foreign language for the people who have never come across it before (of which there are so, so many off-line).

I'm glad you do this!
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Re: Mentioning gender-related stuff (or fandom) IRL?

[personal profile] inkdust 2012-07-26 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed. Jargon makes people uncomfortable with the topic even more uncomfortable with it.