[ SECRET POST #2031 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2031 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Thor obviously wouldn't give a shit, but if he were able to I could see him voting Republican simply because of his cultural background. Asgard appears to be fairly traditional as far as women and gender roles go, so I can't see the Democrat's views on gay marriage and abortion being a big drawing point for him. He probably wouldn't care that much about about immigration since it's not a concept he would be familiar with, coming from a world that is isolated for the most part. I could also see him being against strict gun control. There's magic artifacts and all kinds of shit just laying around in Asgard, so he probably figures that use of any weapon is your own responsability

I can't see Tony openly affiliated with any one party, instead prefering to play them both. Since he's a businessman, I could definitely see him voting Republican, but his stance on weapons could also lead him to vote Democrat. I could see him agreeing with Democrat's social policies, but if he votes I highly doubt that those would be the issues on the forefront of his mind. He would probably prioritize issues other issues first, namely his company.

Bruce I could definitely see voting Democrat. I imagine he agrees with most of their social policies, and he is ultimately a scientist at heart.

Hawkeye I could also see voting Democrat because of its stance on welfare and social issues.

Natasha is probably so disillusioned with poltiics in general at this point of her life, I doubt she cares either way.

I can't see Cap publically identifying with either party, simply because of his symbolic status of Captain America, the face of the nation. Publically identifying with either party would just cause dissent and controversy, things I imagine he would want to stay away from. I definitely can't see him being okay with what I imagine he views to be the death of a baby. I also imagine that he would be quite taken aback by the notion of gay marriage given he was taken straight of of the 40's, but I could definitely see him warming up to the idea. I could also see him being very supportive of the Democratic party's views on immigration and welfare programs.

Fury, like Natasha, is probably so disillusioned by this point that he doesn't care.

Coulson...no idea. I'll admit I'm baffled why some people are so sure he's a Democrat, since as far as I can recall he never lets on anything about his personal views. From what I've seen it basically comes down too "well he's nice and funny so there's no way he could be a nasty, evil conservative!"

[(Anonymous)]

Asgard appears to be fairly traditional as far as women and gender roles go



Ah yes. Asgard's gender roles and women's rights are totally the same as 1950s upper-class America!

[(Anonymous)]

Sif is pointed out to be the exception, not the norm.

[seiberwing]

Asgard appears to be fairly traditional as far as women and gender roles go, so I can't see the Democrat's views on gay marriage and abortion being a big drawing point for him.

You don't know much about Norse mythology and ancient Norse culture, do you?

[(Anonymous)]

They had gay marriage in Norse mythology and ancient Norse culture? You're right, that's certainly news to me!

[seiberwing]

Well, there was that one time Thor dressed in drag and nearly got married to a male giant (of course it was Loki's idea).

My main point is that Asgard's 'traditional values' are hardly what modern Americans would call traditional values. Women in battle wasn't an unheard of thing and as for abortion, 'traditional values' in many parts of the pre-Christian world were to abandon already born babies who were unwanted.

[(Anonymous)]

You have to remember that while Asgard may have certainly been influenced by Norse culture, it is still its own seperate entity. In both the comics and the movie it's a big deal for Sif to be a warrior (she was the only girl in the swordfighting school until Brunhilde came, if I remember the comics correctly), while I believe it was slightly more common IRL. While women are certainly well-respected in Asgard, there are definitely distinct gender roles (women are expected to be suited for magic while men lean towards physical combat). I don't believe women are considered "inferior," but there are certain expectations of each gender.

Considering his father adopted Loki, an "unwanted baby" and raised him as his own, I can't see him supporting abortion. Loki was like a brother to Thor, and he would probably figure that it would be better to give them a chance at family and a way to choose their own path rather than to just kill them outright.

[seiberwing]

We don't really have proof of what those expectations are, though. We don't have much information on Asgardian society to begin with and I think a lot of people conflate their antiquated speech patterns with adhering to their own perceptions of what ancient values would be.


Considering his father adopted Loki, an "unwanted baby" and raised him as his own

Loki was much more than just some random baby lying out on the street, though. He was the son of the Frost Giant King and an important political tool if Odin raised him right. That also speaks nothing to his positions on abortion, as a post-natal baby is not the same thing as a fetus, nor does it mean what Odin did is common for his culture.

Also not everyone thinks abortion means killing a baby. FYI.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm drawing my information on Asgardain society from what was shown in the movie and in the comics. The comics and movie both show that women fighters are not the norm, showing that women are still generally viewed as physically more fragile than men.

It doesn't matter if Loki was born a prince or a peasant, or even how common Odin's actions were. What matters is the relationship that formed between them, which I do believe would no doubt influence his opinion on unwanted babies and the lives they could have, the relationships they could form, etc.

Yes, I am well aware of the different ways people refer to the growing life inside a woman. I'll amend my statment: I think he would take issue with killing potential babies.

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely can't see him being okay with what I imagine he views to be the death of a baby.

I don't see why you would assume he would feel that way. One could just as easily argue that he would enthusiastically support a woman's right to control her own body and life.

Unless you meant letting young single mothers with infants starve because of some paranoia about "welfare queens," or a refusal to protect women and children from domestic violence, because he would definitely be opposed to that.

I also imagine that he would be quite taken aback by the notion of gay marriage given he was taken straight of of the 40's,

He also grew up as a scrawny kid and an artist. You think he didn't know any gay people, and see how harmful anti-gay bigotry was?

[(Anonymous)]

I love how so many people are getting bent out of shape over my comment. It's like some people are actualyl personally offended a fictional character's politics might not match up 100% to their own.

No, I'm not 100% convinced he would support abortion if he believes that this "right" leads to the termination of a life. This would go back to the question of when he believes life begins, which we obviously don't know. He believes in God so that could definitely affect his viewpoint.

lol Where are you even going with the second part of your comment? Did I not say that I could see him agreeing with welfare? He's Cap, of course he wants to help poor people. This might come as a complete shock, but a person doesn't have to agree with either of the parties 100%.

And again, the last part of your comment is simply ridiculous. Yes, I'm sure he knew gay people. And BECAUSE he knew gay people I'm sure he would be shocked at the notion (NOT necessarily opposed, just taken aback). It's not like he came out of the 60's. Gay pride was not a concept expressed in the 40's; homosexuality was generally kept quiet. Seeing gay people freely express their sexual identity would be a welcome, yet ultimately unexpected, change.

[(Anonymous)]

I love how you think I'm getting bent out of shape. I'm just telling you I disagree with your conclusions and don't quite understand how you reached them.

I think Cap could very easily be able to understand that the abortion issue isn't actually about "when life begins," but instead whether a woman's body belongs to the woman or to the fetus. The second part of that comment was explaining what he might interpret as "killing babies" instead.

You didn't say "surprised but pleased" in your original comment, and I'm not a mind-reader. Though I still disagree; Cap strikes me as more the type to see the world how it should be, rather than how it is, so I think he'd be more relieved than surprised to find that gay people are being treated like people in the future.