[ SECRET POST #2035 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2035 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[ninety6tears]

I'm not completely sure if we're on the same page, but I do think the double standard that lets fanartists have almost no problem making monetary profit off their work (in terms of its acceptability) is spectacularly unfair. I don't really go around resenting artists who can make a few bucks off their fanworks and I do realize that there's somewhat more buyer appeal in a piece of beautiful art that you can hold in your hand, it's just the fact that it rarely becomes an issue that it's somebody selling something based on copyrighted material and that implies that people think there is less effort put into creating fanfiction.

[majesdane]

Agreed.

[deadtree]

yeah that is definitely true.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe it's more because there's no-one selling fanfic. I've been in a situation before where I've wanted a fanfic of a rare pairing, or fandom, or plot scenario so badly that I'd be willing to give a few bucks to someone who could write it for me, but there's nowhere that exists to ask someone for something like that in the same way there is with fanart.

[deadtree]

partly, don't you think, due to the culture built up around fanfic that says asking for money (unless it's for a charity event) is a big no-no

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT) Well maybe so, but then it becomes a vicious circle where the taboo is never challenged or changed.

I don't see how selling fanart is any more moral than selling fanfic (it's certainly no more legal), and yet people still offer fanart commissions.

[nynaeve_sedai]

I think in general there's a clearer delineation between fanart and fanfic. Someone selling fanart is probably less likely to get prosecuted, but if I started charging for my fanfic? You'd better believe I'd be getting cease and desist notices left and right if that got out.

Wish it were different. I would love to put money in some of the pockets of my favorite fic authors who write as well as any published author (maybe even better) - if for no other reason than to get them to write more because the novels in our fandom are crap IMO :P

[truxillogical]

Fanart exists in a legal gray area for a lot of companies. Marvel and DC in particular are absolutely aware that it exists, but they generally don't try to stop it, because: A) The Artist Alley is a big deal at most cons, has been for decades. Fans love it, and all evidence to the contrary aside, The Big Two really do avoid actively pissing a whole hoard of their fans off. B) Fanartists often "grow up" to work for the companies in question. Not all the time, but seeing as how neither company has a department that specifically grooms promising new talent for future work anymore, watching the fanartists online and at cons are an easy way for them to see who's up and coming.

Fanfiction doesn't work like that. Primarily because writing fanfiction and writing either professional prose or comicbook scripts are wholly different animals. That's not knocking fanfic--it's just a completely different medium, really. I've read fantastic pieces that blew my mind, had wonderful depth of character, etc. But that doesn't mean it's the same thing. 99% of the time, writing fanfiction might improve some technical aspects of your writing, but it won't actually teach you the craft as it applies to scripting a comicbook.

There's also the bit where a fanfic is a story, and while Marvel and DC (and other companies) live or die by their characters, they trade in stories. They won't step in when it's for free, because sheesh, who needs that legal hassle, but when you start making money off of their intellectual property as a story...it becomes a little more gray. It's why the guy who draws Little League can sell pins of his baby Justice League characters, but he can't put together a trade of the strips and sell that.

More's the pity. I'd love to see a printed collection of Batman And Sons.

[(Anonymous)]

Really interesting to read all this, thankyou.

[ninety6tears]

Well, it's not unheard-of; somebody I know recently mentioned buying a crossover from somebody and I was kinda like "Wuh? Where...?" But pretty much any attempt to sell fic I've seen around has been bad-mouthed because authors are expected to not do that so that fandom's reputation isn't tarnished or whatever, but this expectation is hardly ever directed towards the visual artists. I don't even know how I feel about the legality/morality of it, it's mostly the double standard that bugs me.

[(Anonymous)]

I've tried to sell fanfic.

I was told OH NO HOW HORRIBLE DON'T MAKE MONEY THAT WAY

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's also a real potential can of worms in terms of copyright, because while fan fic is technically a derivative work, there are possible grounds to suppose fan fic itself could be independently copyrighted, and I don't think anyone wants to try and touch the tar baby with a ten foot pole.

[truxillogical]

This'll sound bad, but I think it's hella easier to phone in fanart that you just aren't feeling than it is to do the same with fanfic.

I mean, I draw fanart when I've got a fun idea. I also draw some for portfolio work. And sometimes, at cons, I draw because people said: "Draw this character, here's a reference and some money." And while it's always easier to draw something that I care about, it's not exactly a hardship to have to draw some characters I've never heard of either.

But fic. I dunno, I pretty much only write fic when there's a fun idea behind it, something that just won't leave me alone. Filling prompts is one thing--someone suggests something, and that gives you a plot bunny, and you go from there, it's a fun idea. But the idea of trying to write about a pairing that I have zero actual interest in, even for money...that sounds really boring and kind of un-fun.

Fanart also gets sold for its use. That is, prints sell because you can hang them up and put them on the wall, stickers and pins sell because you can wear them. Fic, you really just read it your own self.

[kallanda_lee]

Man, I'd totally whore out my writing for pretty much any rare pairing, I honestly don't mind.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know...there's some authors that hate people selling art of their characters/shames people for it (The guy who writes/draws Gunnerkrigg Court comes to mind. Though he's completely entitled to do so!)

[ninety6tears]

I'm not saying there's no opposition to it, just that there's far less. Artists can set up booths at conventions selling fanart without anyone really blinking at it, but the minute an author tries to make money off fic it's all "Excuse me, but what do you think you're doing?"