[ SECRET POST #2035 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2035 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/xH7SD.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Mm. I'm not really into fanart the way I am fanfic. I mean, I've seen some, and they're good, and I've seen some that sucked. I've read a shitton of fanfic, good bad and ugly, and there are fanfic sites and archives and personal journals and PDF downloads, and you can spend days reading some of the epic stories. But if I want to find art, I have to do a general Google or Tumblr search and hope for the best. And I look at a drawing for a minute and think, "Neat," before scrolling to the next one.

I don't think fanfic's really so unloved.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

Is this a parody secret about how fic is more popular?

[dragonimp]

....Huh. I'm both an artist and a writer and I've gotten much more recognition for my fic. Maybe it depends on the fandom.

[hiyami]

Uh... what?

Must be different flavors for different fandoms.

Warm

[trollometer]

Either you are trying too hard to say something about the way fanartists are more likely to be ridiculed compared to fanfic authors (especially in regards to mediocre fanartists vs. mediocre fanfic authors) or you are hanging out in the wrong fandoms.

[ninety6tears]

I'm not completely sure if we're on the same page, but I do think the double standard that lets fanartists have almost no problem making monetary profit off their work (in terms of its acceptability) is spectacularly unfair. I don't really go around resenting artists who can make a few bucks off their fanworks and I do realize that there's somewhat more buyer appeal in a piece of beautiful art that you can hold in your hand, it's just the fact that it rarely becomes an issue that it's somebody selling something based on copyrighted material and that implies that people think there is less effort put into creating fanfiction.

[(Anonymous)]

What.

Please introduce me to your parallel universe fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

Hm, for some reason I read this as "acceptable in the mainstream". I feel like if I drew a recognizable character, RL people who aren't in fandom would be like "Oh cool, a picture of ___". But if I tried to explain fanfiction it would be awkward and they wouldn't understand it, or they'd be creeped out. So if that's what OP meant then I kind of agree, even though I personally don't really care what my RL acquaintances think of fic.

[star-sailor13.livejournal.com]

I'm going to ignore the absurdity of the idea that fanart is more legit/acceptable than fanfic because what the hell? What fandoms are we talking here? In every fandom I've ever been in, the fanfic writers have always been in the majority and only ONE of my active fandoms has a specific art-related annual fest.

If I'm understanding the rest of your secret correctly, in terms of pure "recognisability" I think the thing about fanart is that it lends itself to stylistic favouritism, and if an artist has a very distinct style then people are going to recognise the name because of that. This is why the idea of an anonymous art fest makes me LOL so hard. And unless an author has a particularly distinctive style or is one of the more prolific producers of ficcage, then fantiction I think tends to be more anonymous and people appreciate the writing more than the name. I know that I personally have trouble really distinguishing between awesome fic writers unless there are really key things associated with specific authors that I know about.

Does that make any sense? I know what I want to say but it ain't coming out right...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care about recognition, I just really wish I could draw. I have so many ideas for fanarts, fancomics, general comics, but I just can't draw, and let's not even start about actually colouring your fanarts. I always dissolve in a puddle of jealousy and shame when people go, "quick doodle", and it's the most fucking amazing thing you've ever seen.

[enjoythesilence]

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What fandom(s) are you in, OP? I've never heard of this happening. In all the fandoms I have been in (SPN and Sherlock mainly but I've peeked in others) have been massively fic-based and the art is usually an afterthought. I don't understand this.

[caparazon]

Actually, some fandoms do ignore fanfic and praise fanart much more. It's just a case-to-case scenario, and I guess it's a minority from what I see in the other comments. For instance, from my own fandoms, Okami had very few good fanfics for it as its own visual appeal calls good artists more than good writers.

It also depends of the place you look for: on LJ/DW, fanfic tends to get much more feedback; on Tumblr, fanart and graphics get most notes while anything with just text in it tends to gets ignored. Meanwhile, a fic-oriented fandom has larger presence in FF.net/AO3 than dA, while an art-oriented fandom is the other way around.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I feel like people care a whole lot more about fic. For one thing, there's more to discuss about fanfiction. And I say this as a fanartist. I have a nice collection of fanart on my HD and it's fun to look at it but most of it isn't all that thought-provoking even if I really enjoy it. I'm more of a visual person and all, but still, not much you can really say about fanart other than "that's cool".

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

...are you sure about that, dude?

[nachtmusik]

There are different ways to look at this, really, so OP's credibility kind of depends on their angle here.

Within fandom, fic is usually more popular from what I've seen. At least, long, multichapter fic is. It seems like you have to be a really amazing artist to get the same amount of recognition as a decent fic writer that writes long fics centered around popular characters. But then, on sites like dA or tumblr where you can just like and reblog things, art tends to get a lot more notice, since it only takes a moment to look at a picture and like or reblog it, whereas actually reading a fic takes more effort. That said, it's kind of logical. Image oriented sites will favor images. Prose oriented sites will favor prose.

But then there's also the matter of people who are more on the outside of fandom. Both fanfic and fanart do get the criticism "you should work with your own original ideas instead!", but it seems worse with fic. With fanart people are more open to accepting that drawing it can be good artistic practice, whereas the same isn't usually said for fic. Also there is the matter of it being okay to sell fanart but not fic.

Just a thought re; everyone jumping on OP here.

[(Anonymous)]

honestly, i really am just more impressed by fanart than fanfic. i feel like it takes more practice and skill (i could be wrong, i mean, i don't do either) and just find it more awe-inspiring when really good. i have never read a fanfic where i thought 'wow, that was incredible'; i've never read a fanfic that was on the level of any of the professionally published books i've read (i don't read crap like 50 shades of gray jsyk). on the other hand i've seen a ton of fanart i would pay money for prints of.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who CAN draw and can't write, I don't really understand why fanart is considered more well respected in fandom?

I mean, I guess there are those big names or whatever on DA who illegally sell comics and shit, but in the long run, I don't see people having rec links and passing around quotes and making special graphics dedicated to fanart like you do with fanfic. It is all about what you choose to focus on I think. There is so much respect for fanfic if you look past the basic veneer of "Ooooh, pretty!" especially when you take into account the ease of removing watermarks on fanart to remove all of the artists claim, while this is really rare with fanfiction.

Is this secret really so hard to understand?

[(Anonymous)]

Of course fanart is considered more legitimate. That doesn't mean that it's more popular in fandom, only that it's more 'acceptable' outside of fandom. Authors who hate fanfic for their work usually have no problem with fanart. Authors often link to fanart for their work, but even authors who don't mind fanfic don't ever talk about it, link to it, go on about how much they love the fanfic written for their work etc. Nobody outside of fandom will give you funny looks if you say you draw pictures of your favourite characters, but most non-fandom-people think that fanfic is a weird waste of time and "you should just write your original stories". Not to mention the part where it's considered acceptable to take money for commissioned fanart, but nobody must ever make money from fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

I know of at least one example which is the total opposite of this secret, where one fanfic has steamed tons of fanart from it, and even if a lot of them are pretty awesome by itselves, everyone knows they steam from the fanfic...

[(Anonymous)]

huh, in most fandoms i've been in, it's the other way around and fic is held in way higher regard than fan art.

guess it depends on the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually feel this way sometimes, too. I think part of that is becuase of being in an anime fandom, so there is more fanart available that fanfic. And I do like fanart--I keep a folder of it that I look through when I want inspiration for my writing.

But on some level, I'm always afraid that fanart is going to take over fandom and that fanfic will completely disappear. And the popularity of sites like Tumbler makes me almost convinced that it's just a matter of time.

[kallanda_lee]

I think it really depends on your fandom and on what you're writing. One-shots can get sort of lost, but long fics can get quite a following.

[(Anonymous)]

Was I the only one who thought maybe this was referring to recognition from actors/creators/etc.? I mean, there's a huge stigma on directing anyone in that sphere toward fanfic, whereas showing a piece of art tends to be met more often with admiration (barring porn/what have you that would up the awkward factor), at least in the instances I've heard about/seen.

And I feel that. It can be frustrating to see someone else get recognized for applying their talents to fandom endeavors when putting yours out there is, at best, going to get you awkward looks and probably a whole lot of hate from anyone else in fandom that might be in the vicinity (not that I'd be presenting my writing to anyone even if it were acceptable, because I'd probably keel over from embarrassment).

[streetcake]

To me they're so completely different that I don't compare them at all. Some fanart can convey a whole story in one image and that's great, but when it comes to real emotional satisfaction fanfic is the only thing that does it for me. Heck, even a really beautiful piece of fanart will leave me making up stories for it in my head because I crave more depth than what it can give me.