[ SECRET POST #2041 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2041 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 125 secrets from Secret Submission Post #292.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dazzledfirestar]

Can I ask how it's killing fandom? Changing it, yes, most definitely, but killing it?

I mean, I don't have any problem with Tumblr at all. I've met tons of fantastic fandom friends there. Yes, it takes some getting used to and yes there are some very annoying aspects to it, but how is that different from the cliquey, wanky nonsense on LJ? If anything, I think tumblr opened fandom up for a lot of people that felt alienated on other platforms.

Of course, this would depend entirely on which fandom you happen to be a part of.

[(Anonymous)]

My only problem with Tumblr are the crazy SJW's that sometimes pop up out of nowhere accusing people of random things. Not that there aren't a lot of people pointing out real problems but the crazy people just seem to be so much more insistent xD

That sometimes ends up getting me very frustrated with fandom, when people run around accusing the showrunners of random things because they don't like the choice in casting or how there is yet another love interest (and clearly that means the author is a misogynist...).

But that's about the only thing I personally can come up with :)

[dazzledfirestar]

Well there is a lot of the usual SJ wank and again it depends on what fandom you're a part of but I've seen more legitimate calling out there than want SJ excuses. But YMMV. Different circles and all that.

[manifold]

Yeah, it depends on what you're looking at. In the fandoms I follow, most of what I see is people who are just fans getting into arguments with each other and insisting that the other is an SJW because Clearly You Must Be One, Otherwise You Would Agree With Me. So it often feels like SJWs are some kind of fandom bogeyman that isn't really there.

But then some friends who follow OTHER fandoms will reblog arguments with bona fide certified "DIE CIS SCUMMMMMMM" Generals Of The War Against Everything Ever, and I realize, no, they exist, some fandoms are just fucking lucky.

[unicornherds]

Well this is coming from someone who doesn't get Tumblr and isn't very active in that area, so...

But since people have been migrating to Tumblr I feel that discussion has dwindled to nothing but reblogging squee. There used to be so many episode discussions, meta, fic rec and discussions, and now there's barely anything. And I partly blame that on Tumblr. I'm not saying fandom was this glowing perfect community of wonder, but I just feel like there's very little actual content and community unless you're into reblogging and hashtags.

So I guess you could argue that fandom hasn't died, just changed. But for me, who doesn't use Tumblr all that much, it's pretty much dead.

[dazzledfirestar]

Oh, I understand, I'm just trying to see both sides of the coin here.

I've had a completely opposite experience from you on this. Tumblr's been filled with great meta on issues (I'm in comics fandom, maybe that has an effect? I don't know.), on character interactions and relationships (both shippy and not shippy), character history, comparisons between canon (616 vs. Ultimates vs. Movie-verse is a very popular topic right now and who's pulling from where etc), commentaries on any detail you can imagine. And discussions (through all those blasted reblogs) on panels, issues, characters etc. If anything my fandom has been far more active in this sense than it was before.

Obviously, this won't go for every fandom or every person on the site. There is a lot of random id release and squeeing and reblogging without comment but that thoughtless, mindless squee existed long before tumblr. It just got a home there

Now, finding the good stuff can be tricky, of course. I was lucky and had a few friends already there doing more than simply keymashing and they helped. But I've found many great fandom friends through the tags (character name tags can be scary but there are diamonds to be found!)

It just seems counterproductive to me to say "this place sucks" if one isn't using it or isn't posting the things they want to see in fandom on that site. Things won't shift at all if everyone just crosses their arms and frowns at it.

tl;dr There's good and bad on every site.

[unicornherds]

Part of it might be that I like things in one place - Tumblr seems to be spread out and very fast paced, whereas LJ or DW or somesuch you'd have all of the discussion on one entry & within the comments right on that page.

I honestly have never seen a post on Tumblr that contained much streamlined discussion. It's all hashtags and quoting and posts as replies. But maybe I just didn't explore enough.

I'm glad that you're enjoying the move to Tumblr. I'm not saying Tumblr is evil or there's no joy in it, I'm just saying that from my perspective if you don't like the style and format of Tumblr then fandom is pretty much dead (compared to what it used to be).

[dazzledfirestar]

I can see that definitely being part of the problem with adjusting. One does need to keep on top of things. Which can be tough, of course.

I haven't run into much of the hashtags conversation... most of it comes to me in a thread format, much like this... could be a difference in reading style there.

I know fandom on LJ and DW has slowed down considerably, but I have to wonder if eventually the shine won't wear off and tumblr will be like every other site with a heavy fandom contingent. There is a novelty factor here too.

[blackmare]

"I haven't run into much of the hashtags conversation... most of it comes to me in a thread format, much like this... could be a difference in reading style there."

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HOW? Seriously, how in the hell are you seeing coherent, threaded conversations on Tumblr? Because that has never happened to me there, and if I could follow things that way I'd actually use the damn site, so ... how?

Please?

[unicornherds]

I, uh, was wondering the same thing but I've already outed myself as a tumblr failure so I didn't want to push it. But yeah, I apparently am doing Tumblr totally wrong because I've never actually seen any coherent threaded conversations taking place.

[citrinesunset]

I know. I'll see people talk about these great discussions they see on Tumblr, and I've never seen any. I don't know if I don't know how to look for it, or if it's just that it doesn't happen in my fandoms.

And I've heard conflicting things, too. Like, I've seen people say that people will reblog stuff and add their own commentary. But a while back, someone told me that I shouldn't add my own commentary if I reblog something, because that looks stupid to people. If I want to comment on what I'm reblogging, I'm "supposed" to use the tags.

But I don't want to comment on stuff using tags. #i don't want #to communicate #like this #when there's a text box #and i can just use that #ARGH

I just don't get it. I like Tumblr all right, and I do enjoy the gifs and images, but I wish I knew how I was supposed to use it.

[blueonblue]

Tumblr isn't killing fandom, but it is killing text-based interactions like discussions and fic.

[unicornherds]

That's what my fandom interaction used to be all about, so it's killed fandom for me.

[(Anonymous)]

This.