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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-08-04 03:45 pm

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Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
So I've been reading some captions about Chic-fil-a and after laughing, I became a little angry. A group of people calling oppression, when they are the majority in this country, trying to oppress a minority, that they claim is oppressing them...UGH.

It's not the free speech that's the problem. It's that they fund things like exodus and anti-gay camps. Groups that made it illegal to be gay in Uganda...where the penalty was fucking death. DEATH. Groups that want to ban gay marriage, and try to make it okay to exclude homosexuals from acquiring housing.

I don't want to be on this planet anymore. :/

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of people misreported what Chick-fil-a actually did (saying they didn't support gay marriage when really it was funding hate groups).


But anyway, lots of people are super assholes and think anything that goes slightly against their views are oppressing them. (I've seen so much "The gays are oppressing us good Christian folk!" on my FB and it's so asklgjasldf)

Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-04 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate that. "You're oppressing us when you don't let us oppress you!" If I have to hear one more asshole get up in my face about Chick-fil-a when he clearly doesn't have any idea what he is talking about I think I'm just going to scream. Right in his face until he walks away.

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yessss

And the "I just want to eat a chicken sandwich why do you have to look at me like I'm a bigot whahhhhhahhh!"

Go to McDonald's or Burger King or make your own stupid sandwich, Chick-fil-a is a terrible place and you don't have to fund it.

Asfja if these people weren't on vacation in Florida I'd wanna visit them and scream in their face too.

Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-04 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I got in a tiff with a guy on FB who I did not know because he basically wanted to do and say homophobic things but didn't want to be called homophobic.

I basically broke down everything he said and why I felt it was homophobic and his response was pretty much, "Yeah. But you're slurring my character when you call me that." If you think homophobia is bad don't be homophobic!
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Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] greenvelvetcake 2012-08-05 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Tell him truth is an absolute defense against slander in a court of law.

Re: Chicachicafilla

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Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt

I don't eat at Chik-fil-a (I'm vegetarian and have no interest) but a LOT of places are fucking horrible. If you stopped funding every place that did horrible shit like what Chik-fil-a did or was profiting off of sweat shops or fucking over their employees, you would barely have anywhere to shop. It would be pointless for me to judge anyone who eats there (and I say this as a lesbian who knows other gay people who still get sandwiches there)

Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-04 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
So are you suggesting people should just accept the status quo and make no effort to pressure companies into ethical behavior?

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Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I just don't like it when people whine about being judged for it. If someone wants to judge me because I shop at x or buy y because of their terrible business practices, then okay, yeah whatever.

But if you(general you) keep complaining that people are judging you for doing a controversial thing then I'm going to side-eye you. Especially when you make that comment on a gay person's post about what Chick-fil-a is actually donating money to and how it hurts them to see their friends loudly supporting that company.

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
da

This, tbh. I've never eaten at chikfila and probably never will, but they're so far from being the only franchise with shitty practices. We probably all shop at places that have them. If I judged people for eating at chikfila, I'd probably be a hypocrite in one way or another

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I don't have a problem with people eating there if that's what they want [I won't which is my choice, but they have a right to their's, though if their reasoning is anything other than 'I really love their food' I will side eye them *hard*], but what I *do* take issue with is the people who are declaring it 'stupid' to choose what companies you're willing to give money based on their politics/practices...even if those practices directly impact you and your rights/health/whatever.

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"You're oppressing us when you don't let us oppress you!"

That's it exactly. So many people I know are whining just because others dare to disagree with their opinion (that Chick-Fil-A's "right") and whine about free speech. It's like, dude, the First Amendment goes both ways. Yes, you have the right to voice your opinion, but other people have the right to call you a fucking bigot for it.

Have you heard about the guy who got fired from his job for what he said to the girl at the drive through? That's really pissing me off, because most of the people who are whining about free speech are thrilled he got fired, and the irony is that that was actually a First Amendment issue. All he did was tell her his opinion, he didn't attempt to deny her any rights. I think he came across as a bit douchey, but in no way did he deserve to lose his job over having an opinion.

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
OP from the post below this one

I didn't see this when I posted, so it's kind of amusing me that's it right above mine.

But yeah. The whole situation is making me so mad. First, like you said, the majority is not fucking oppressed.

All I seem to hear is that whining about the First Amendment, but people don't seem to understand that it's not a First Amendment issue. It's not about free speech, or them saying things I (and lots of other people) disagree with, it's the fact that they're actively trying to deny rights to a group of people. That's not just about dissenting opinions, and it's wrong. It's the exact same thing as if Chick-Fil-A were donating money to groups working to deny rights to black people. It's not about trying to shut people up because they have differing opinions, it's about not putting up with bigotry and hatred.

What a lot of them don't seem to get is that not tolerating intolerance is not the same thing as being intolerant.

Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-04 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
EVERYTHING you just said.

I told a specific guy off concerning the Chick-fil-a debacle and he said I was trying to deny his freedom of speech. *facepalm* Free speech defends your right to say something it doesn't protect you from criticism. The whole thing basically ended with me shouting "Criticism is just more free speech asshole!" in a parking lot.
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Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] cashay 2012-08-04 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I would love to have seen that xD

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, free speech goes both ways. People have the right to their opinions, and other people have the right to disagree.

There are far too many people who think "free speech" gives them carte blanche to say whatever bigoted things they want without anyone calling them on that shit.
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Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] cassandraoftroy 2012-08-05 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously. It baffles me that so many people don't get that, if you're not filing legal injunctions against them or sending secret police into their homes to arrest them for saying something, you're not actually violating their right to free speech by disagreeing with them or telling them they're wrong/bad for expressing a dumbshit opinion.

Freedom of speech != freedom from disagreement.

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm almost sad Chick-Fil-A doesn't even exist where I live, so I could boycott the hell out of them. On the other hand, I am so very happy I don't have to deal with their stupidity firsthand.

If I wasn't worried about the people who work in their restaurants and try to make a living, I'd want this chain to fail so badly it'd have to be closed down. (OR: to be bought off by a gay-friendly business. Nothing tastes better than grilled chicken sprinkled with irony.)

Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-04 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Not just the employees, there could be people who bought franchises who may not necessarily support headquarters funding hate groups. If they exist I feel really bad for them.

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-04 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure that there are at least employees who don't agree with it [and quite probably some who are, in fact, gay themselves]. I know I applied to work there because, politics or no it was a job and I really needed the cash. [As it turns out I didn't end up working there, thank god]. I'm homoromantic, so...there's no way in hell I'd agree with their policies, but...sometimes you just need a job that badly.

Re: Chicachicafilla

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-04 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I know there are employees who don't agree with their policies and still work there. I was saying IDK if there are franchise owners who didn't know about the hate group stuff when they bought into Chick-fil-a.

Re: This thread cannot be complete without this.

(Anonymous) 2012-08-05 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'd like to add this one on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts-3SnJ2ACQ

(Comedian Paul F. Tompkins on the topic at hand it's 8 1/2 minutes long, but it's very well-done)

Re: This thread cannot be complete without this.

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-08-05 01:15 am (UTC)(link)

Re: Chicachicafilla

(Anonymous) 2012-08-05 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.

Unfortunately, on the opposite side of extremists, I have some seen some idiots who do believe the corporation shouldn't be *legally allowed* to give their money to the groups of their choice. That kind of attitude sends me into a rage as much as the opinions the restaurant supports and gives me that same "I don't want to be here" feeling. It's so messed up all around.