[ SECRET POST #2046 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2046 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. Besides, there are lots of young boys in the books who not only want sex, but they are not virgins anymore. What about that? No one gets uncomfortable when the boys want it.

Yes, many women in the books are forced to start a sexual life when they are not ready or willing. But others want it, and that shouldn't be a problem (Cersei and Jaime started really soon, Dany likes sex, Asha is quite proud of her sexuality and desires as well and she was probably like that when she was younger, etc etc etc).

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! Someone that gets it. I don't know a lot about this series in particular, but I do take issue in shaming of young women's sexuality.

Rape is wrong. Being forced into any sexual activity is wrong.

But I have problem when a young woman CHOOSES to have sex/expressed her sexuality, and everyone turns around and tells her she's 'confused' and she doesn't know what she's talking about. Don't people understand how demeaning that is to women? If teenage boy can choose to have sex, so can teenage girls. They are just as capable as any male their age.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I think as well! Thing is, he settled his books in a very medieval-ish world, and he doesn't tries to make it better. To me, the violence is part of the realism in the books (including sexual violence), and not glorified at all. If the characters want it, and it's not written in a way where it objectifies the girls, I don't see anything wrong. Women in A Song of Ice and Fire are very well developed, and the sex is part of their reality and some of the stories. Why is that wrong?

What saddens me is that even feminists see a young woman DESIRING sex as a bad thing, apparently :/ being one myself, I get sad some people are so narrow minded.

[(Anonymous)]

Those are sex-negative feminists. The sex-positive feminist community shares your beliefs on women and sexuality. I think you might like that sect. There's a great sex-positive feminist community on Youtube for one. Most of my favourite channels (FeministWhore, Divinity33372) are dedicated towards sex-workers rights activism; another issues that's treated very poorly by sex-negative fems.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm gonna check those channels out, thank you very much! Unfortunately, it's very common to find this kind of "feminist" on the internet :( in real life, I never had any problem with most activists, but since tumblr, livejournal and social justice... Well, everyone knows what kind of stuff most of them say.

[(Anonymous)]

NP, hun! I find the same thing happens with feminists and myself. In RL, even if we at first don't agree, we usually just end up discussing our positions civilly and having and intelligent and informative discourse.
But online, it's all name-calling and shaming people. It's really sad, I feel like these social networking sites are just bringing out the ugliest side of the feminist movement (and other social movements too).

[(Anonymous)]

The women are "well developed"?

When their main motive is MY BABIES BABIES BABIES?

[(Anonymous)]

...Have you even read or watched the show past like the second episode?

[(Anonymous)]

Yea cause Sansa and Arya both have babies.

Right.

[(Anonymous)]

Except they are not women, they are little girls. One of them a "boy".

[(Anonymous)]

I'll give you the age difference but why should the fact that Arya pretended to be a boy to keep herself safe change anything?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, because Brienne, Asha, Arya, Sansa, Catelyn (yes, she cares about her kids. No, that's not her only point), Cersei, Daenerys, Arianne and many others just care about babies. Riiiight.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention Margaery, Melisandre, Osha, and Meera.

[(Anonymous)]

And pretty much every other woman, even the ones who appear less in the books, like Missandei, Olenna, Jeyne Poole, Shireen, Alys Karstak, Ygritte... Must have been a troll.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd sure hope so. The only women who I could see being conceivably close to "MY BABIES MY BABIES" is Lysa, Catelyn, and Cersei (who really only seemed to show it when Tyrion was trying to send her daughter away).

And honestly they are MOTHERS. I'd be more annoyed if they didn't give a fuck about their children.

[(Anonymous)]

The dragons are "my babies" as well, you know.

[(Anonymous)]

Besides, the fact that they care about their children doesn't means they JUST care about that. "Yeah but Dany's dragons are her babies"... And? Yes, she desired to be a mother and the fact that she lost her son hurt her. She sees her people and her dragons as her children. So...? That's not all she cares about. That doesn't defines her whole character.

The same goes for Cersei, Catelyn and Lysa. They are much more complex than just BABIES. Even Catelyn, that clearly represents the Mother figure of the Seven... She stands out alone. She has more traits than her motherhood, more worries than her children (and it's perfectly understandable that she loves them so much, anyway).

[darkmanifest]

No one gets uncomfortable when the boys want it.

Hi! I do. I really, really do, when it's barely pubescent boys and grown-ass adult women.

[(Anonymous)]

If you do, that's good, and I am inclined to agree with you (on the barely pubescent thing at least, not so much older teens).

But unfortunately, that's not the majority opinion in Western society.

[darkmanifest]

Yeah, I realize this more and more every time I have to recoil from yet another scene that features a young boy getting a dramatic "sexual awakening" at the hands of an adult woman when the author just condemned the reverse scenario (young girl, adult man) in the same damn story.

[(Anonymous)]

I know, the hypocrisy burns!
I'm personally okay with teen sexuality (at least older teens, it gets kinda squicky for me once they're any younger than 14, personally), but if somebody is going to decide that teen sexuality is immoral, they could at least have the decency to not have a huge double-standard between genders. Ugh, I hate hypocrites.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I don't want to read about it, period.