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[ SECRET POST #2061 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2061 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Xena: Warrior Princess]

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02.

[tales of symphonia]

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03.

[The Girl From Tomorrow]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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[Lamento -Beyond the Void-]

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[Aidan Gillen]

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[Skyrim]

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[Touhou Project]

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[Total Recall]

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[Castle]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

12. [SPOILERS for the Dark Knight Rises]

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13. [SPOILERS for Digimon 02]

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14. [SPOILERS for the Borgias]

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15. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia]

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16. [SPOILERS for asoiaf/game of thrones]

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17. [SPOILERS for A Dance With Dragons]

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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

18. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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19. [WARNING for pedophilia, rape, child abuse]

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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This, exactly. It pisses me off when people try to claim that loli/shota doesn't hurt real children, because that's bullshit. Yes it does.

Okay, so because something CAN be used in a harmful way, it's intrinsically harmful now? I guess Mike's Hard Lemonade must be for pedophiles now since so many pedophiles use it to get kids drunk so they can molest them

Seriously, that's your logic here. I mean, I have a huge problem with child pornography that depicts real children and loli/shota grosses me out, but one is obviously wrong and illegal and the other isn't intrinsically hurting anyone; there are plenty of people who look at cartoon child porn and aren't hurting real children by doing so. Have fun trying to impose thought crime on others

Oh you.

Put down the liquor bottle and go read some studies on this stuff. Then come back and tell me all about how it's innocuous and never ever created just for the purpose of luring in victims because oh hey, kids like cartoons!

You know I always see people on both sides talking about the "THE STUDIES!" and yet I never get a link to one.

I didn't even bring "studies" up. I'm just speaking from a logical standpoint.

Pretty much. I see people go "studies!" about this topic a lot here, and I'd love to see a link.

Even if studies are brought up, it's just the few they keep on hand for their confirmation bias, and never include those that say otherwise.

(just like in the case of "video games cause/don't cause violent behavior" studies.)

So it wouldn't count as confirmation bias if you agreed with it. Good to know.

ofc

I'm the all-time judge of what's right and wrong. That you have accepted this is awesome because you are now on the path to total enlightment.

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Eh, most studies on video game violence, the ones who say it causes violence are usually from conservative organizations while the ones that say it doesn't, are usually from neutral sources and are usually peer-reviewed. It's all about following the paper trail.

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cloud_riven - 2012-08-26 20:28 (UTC) - Expand

da

I disagree. Take a trip at the Content Violation forums on TV Tropes and see how many people have become so desensitized AND then had other similar people reaffirm them in a feedback loop that now they can't even tell what counts as porn or as sexualizing children.

It took them a ridiculous amount of time to decide which pages to keep, and they kept (with an instruction to "clean") a lot of pages that blatantly sexualize children in a "family friendly wiki". They saw nothing wrong with this.

I used to think just like you do until I saw that and realized that people (not all, granted, but a scary chunk) were starting to see lolicon and shotacon as normal.

Obviously not everyone reading/watching them are molesting children, but they're contributing towards keeping that market alive.

Yes, exactly. The problem is sexualized children being so commonplace that people no longer give a shit. It's the car alarm effect. People are so desensitized to the car alarm that their intended purpose no longer exists. Nobody's going to report when they hear one go off because lol, that shit happens all the time, it's just a cat or something.

If you're worried about people becoming desensitized to the sexualization of children then maybe stuff like the Disney Channel and kids' clothing should be taken into question before something like loli hentai -- since the former is way more prevalent and embedded in our culture.

It's a cultural problem in general. And I don't know a single person who thinks loli or shota is normal, most people I talk to online consider it something gross that creeps like. Just because people joke about it and dismiss it, it doesn't necessarily mean they think it's acceptable

Er, excuse me. Nickelodeon. Whichever channel has iCarly and that kind of shit.

I think that should all be taken into question at the same time, not before or after anything else. Including shit like toddler beauty pageants, too.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-08-28 03:32 (UTC) - Expand

okay here

read the arguments used here and try not to die a little on the inside:

("family friendly site", let me remind you)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13364797500A72880100&page=0

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13362753680A13721300&page=0

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13362508410A56639200&page=0

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13372053120A68660100&page=0

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=5p

This, seriously. That's way more skeevy than shota/loli because it's real kids and it's teaching real kids that it's okay to be sexual at a young age. I saw a girl who couldn't have been older than eight today wearing booty shorts so short that her ass was practically hanging out. THAT'S a hell of a lot more damaging than someone enjoying a kink in private.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-08-27 05:13 (UTC) - Expand

da

Yes, the Disney Channel and kids' overly-sexualized clothing SHOULD be taken into account as well. But that's so "normal" at this point, that cartoon CP (no matter what kind of Asiatic-sounding name you slap on it) is starting to breach the boundaries of "normal" as well.

Not to mention all the secrets posted here BY TEENAGERS who are absolutely desensitized to this stuff, AND THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE HOW TERRIBLE THAT IS.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-08-26 00:52 (UTC) - Expand

To be honest, the TV Tropes forums (and the Troper Tales pages before they got axed) seemed pretty full of people who either had some issues or were outright sick fucks to begin with...

ummm....lol analysis fail.

No, not really.

keep telling yourself that; it's probably for the best, as any serious brain work would probably damage what little higher function you apparently possess.

OH NO, STOP MAKING ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE!

yeah, why do you want me to feel bad about defending child porn?!

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