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Somehow I don't think that xenophobia affects too many people from western culture when writing about a Norse god. Just doesn't seem likely.

...I'm not sure I understand this comment. Do you mean they wouldn't be xenophobic because he's from Norse mythology, or they wouldn't be xenophobic because he's not from a real non-western country?

Because most xenophobic white people consider the old Norse stuff to be part of the heritage, so it's more like "LOL the old fashioned knight doesn't understand modern life" than "LOL outsider."

And if you want to get into the hardcore racism, they strongly identify with the old Norse mythologies.

But most people who write fic are teenage girls. I seriously doubt they're people who believe that Vikings and stuff are their heritage. I'm sure their xenophobia is much more "omg you're from India did you live in a hut in the jungle?" and "You speak with an accent so I'm going to explain everything to you twice and talk really slowly like you're a kid" and "You're British? Are you related to an Earl or a Duke?" and "Maybe they don't know what sarcasm is in Japan".

Oh, wow, how many dumb movies did you pull those out of? Please don't start stereotyping teenage girls, either. Not all teenagers are that stupid or ignorant.

Sadly, every single one of these is from personal experience, just a tad less tactful than what was really said.

This is ridiculously depressing and the teenage girls you are surrounded by make me want to punch myself in the kidney.

Well, my high school WAS in a pretty isolated and not-at-all-cosmopolitan small town :P

".... just a tad less tactful than what was really said."

"....not offensive really, but I got SUPER SUPER OFFENDED with them because they didn't use MY words, and they used the words that ALL SJWs EVERYWHERE deem offensive but don't ask us why because it's not our job to educate you and we don't have enough spoons (even though we are all completely able-bodied we totes lifted that term "spoons" from PWD because it only means "tired" in our Newspeak)...."

FTFY

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(Anonymous) - 2012-08-30 01:41 (UTC) - Expand

Except that it's really, really common for people of all ages (at least in the US and other immigrant countries) to associate with their ancestors' heritage?

I seriously doubt they're people who believe that Vikings and stuff are their heritage.

Actually, if they're white American, they probably do.

Really? I don't see that at all. The people around me identify with various heritages (I identify most with Irish/Scottish, myself, although I'm quite the mix of heritages) but I really can't say that I've ever seen someone who considers the Norse their heritage. Maybe I hang out with the wrong white people?

Okay, so if you were to write a fanfic with the whole Dumb!Thor concept, would you go with the "foreigner" angle or the "Old fashioned guy time travel-forwards" angle.

DA

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Re: DA

visp - 2012-08-30 17:20 (UTC) - Expand

...the people around you ID with various heritages but you're bewildered that people could consider themselves part of a large and active group whose descendants are spread throughout Europe and North America?

You're not hanging out with the wrong white people, you're just being ignorant. Try using your brain next time.

oh my god please don't tell me you're actually going there with nordic pride = white power movement

No, but I am saying that most white power movements don't have a problem with the Norse.

Yeah this. It's much more akin in people's minds to if a knight of the round table came to the future than it is to an omg foreigner.

Uh, I'm from a nordic country. Are you referring to xenophobic white people outside of the actual countries where the mythology is from? Because no one here really gives a shit. It's just... there as a culture-thing and we learn the stories as children. Most people here tend to find the comic version of Thor extremely annoying.

Most people here tend to find the comic version of Thor extremely annoying.

Heh, I could see that. And while I certainly don't know enough about racism in the Scandinavian countries to have an opinion on that, a lot of other countries seem to have picked up the old Nazi spin on the mythologies and ran with it.

I do find it xenophobic that people constantly refer to him as a demigod. It's a very Judeo-Christian point of view, denying that other cultures might have more than one god.

..."Demigod" is not a Judeo-Christian thing. It comes from Celtic and Greek mythology.

I think that you've missed a few steps. If you call him a god at all, you're taking it out of Christian mythology. And -demi has nothing to with the number of gods.

Um. A demigod is someone who has one parent that's a god and one parent that's a human. It's not a Judeo-Christian concept.

I think people keep calling him that because in the scene where Tony threatens Loki (while getting the bracelets for the other Iron Man suit), Tony refers to Thor as, "Your brother, the demigod."

I always thought it was more of a compromise in reference to just what Thor is. On one hand, he's considered a god here on Earth - not a demigod or spirit or anything, but a full on god, to the point even Natasha calls them "basically gods". On the other hand, he isn't a god, he isn't the embodiment of Lightning and Thunder ruling Earth, he's just an alien from a species with a long lifespan and technology so advanced we can only call it magic, and he just happened to come to Earth during a time when being awesome resulted in worship and eventual godhood.

"Demigod" is the middle ground between "god" and "not a god".