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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-09-01 03:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2069 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2069 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
dude, are you still in high school? you type someone that's only just seen the internet. or are you writing that block of text from your phone or something?

anyway, most of the teenagers in fandom have "adult" concerns, or even come from worlds that have different standards of being an 'adult', so saying "18 is when people graduate from high school" is still pretty arbitrary. heck, these days in western society college is considered a normal extension of school, so you could say that nobody's adult until they're 22 if we're going by those standards.

i get that you've been abused, and probably your perspective is affecting you, and I'm sorry about what happened to you--I was also molested at 7, so I get it--but that still doesn't mean that pedophilia and ephebophilia is the same thing. it's not.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
it's okay i'm not super upset or anything

i mainly use my experience as a basis for theory

i'm not trying to say pedophilia and ephebophilia are exactly the same

just that in most actual offenders, it's not either/or. they will be happy to offend against anyone from childhood to high school age. for them, it's about the power and societal taboo. *shrug* i guess it comes down to a disagreement about what most pedophiles are. a lot of people think it's based on attraction, in which case these distinctions are meaningful. i think it's based on power, like any other sort of rape. but in the case of pedophiles, i think it's based on such a deep underlying security that full fledged adults are too threatening for them to approach. in this case, the distinction is not terribly important.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-04 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is, you're making assumptions about a superset based on a subset.

Let's say you're right, based on your experience with offenders (those who act on their attractions to minors) that they are motivated by power differential and therefore both pre- and post-pubescent children are attractive to them. However, those who act on their attractions to minors do not constitute the entire population of people who have such attractions. Right? You admit your experience comes only from those who act on their attractions; if we drew it as a Venn diagram, the population you have knowledge of would be a circle, and the population you're trying to generalize about is a larger circle, of which your knowledge is only a part. How much larger is the larger circle? By definition, you don't know.

So suppose that among those who have attractions, but don't act on them, pedophilia is very uncommon, but ephebophilia is amazingly common. This is in fact what we would expect evolution to produce; evolution doesn't select for individuals who only find potential partners attractive several years *after* their reproductive years have begun. And this is what scientific study does indicate: that most males do in fact have sexual attraction to teenage girls, even though it's just a minority that act upon such attraction.