[ SECRET POST #211 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #211 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Off to the Epik High concert! Have some emopuppy if you want → ♥

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 140 secrets from Secret Submission Post #031.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 ] repeat.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Sunday, August 5th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[drivebywizard.livejournal.com]

I know perfectly well that the good luck-swastika and nazi-swastika are positioned differently. But the secret didn't specify, all they said was "the swastika is a symbol of hate." Also, it doesn't "also mean good luck." It ORIGINALLY meant good luck. Hitler took the symbol and twisted it into his own symbol. It's like someone taking a triangle, flipping it upside-down, and proclaiming it to be the symbol for their Genocide Club.

Also, it's pretty narrow of you to assume no "American" would understand. Since when did race matter at all when it came to compassion and understanding?

[powercorrupts.livejournal.com]

American is a nationality, not a race, and I don't think she thought anyone lacked compassion. You can understand the sentiments she has written here, and you can feel an echo of them, but I think what she meant is that that unless you've felt it firsthand, you won't understand any more of it than what she or other people have told you about it.

[flimsy.livejournal.com]

Thank you. This is exactly what I meant =)

[drivebywizard.livejournal.com]

OSHI- my mistake (about the race thing). I was actually thinking more about ALL of America, not the US, but uh- yeah.

[flimsy.livejournal.com]

I know it *originally* meant that, but that doesn't change what it means NOW. And people aren't drawing the straight swastika, they mostly use the Nazi swastika because it's well known. There are symbols used out of their original context everywhere, and are now widely used and accepted in their NEW context. For example read the Wiki article of the heart symbol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_symbol) or the pre-Christian use of the Latin cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross).

And my assumption that most Americans don't understand is not based on a silly concept like 'race' but on educational and ancestral differences. I don't know if you are familiar with Jung's theory of the collective unconsciousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_unconsciousness), but I suggest reading the wikipedia article in order to understand how such huge events like WWII and the Nazi regime can afflict the general emotional response to symbols and archetypes.

[twelve.livejournal.com]

I don't think you understand this fully, so I'll say it as clearly as possible: The swastika still denotes good luck. It can still mean the same thing now as it did before the Nazi regime. Don't believe me? Take a look for yourself. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)

Yes, I've read the articles that you've linked. And since you're so keen on linking to Wikipedia articles, I've decided to do the same. My point is this: The swastika as a religious/sacred symbol is NOT outdated. If you can't respect that the straight swastika does not automatically denote pro-genocide, then you're not very worldly.

Like you said yourself: Nobody's asking you to understand this--but the least you can do is RESPECT it.

[flimsy.livejournal.com]

I don't know why you're so keen to start a fight. I respect your conception of the symbol, but that doesn't mean I have to ignore my own feelings about it. (What's more is that fanartists usually use the 45° cross in their art.)

Look, I'm really tired, and yes I have read the wiki article on swastikas, and I honestly don't feel like arguing with you because we will not reach a consensus since we're coming from completely different points of view. I suggest we agree to disagree to avoid unnecessary drama =)