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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2007-08-04 05:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #211 ]


⌈ Secret Post #211 ⌋

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Re: 22

[identity profile] twelve.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Um, NO. The swastika is not a "magical" symbol--in other parts of the world, it's a RELIGIOUS and SACRED one.

Re: your first point: I think the only person who is forgetting that the swastika as a religious/sacred symbol does not, in fact, look like the Nazi-Hakenkreuz is the OP themselves. Did the OP of secret 22 differentiate between the swastikas? No they did not. Instead they just made a blanket statement saying that all swastikas are symbols of hate when this is CLEARLY not the case. The OP's secret re: swastikas smacks of ignorance, frankly speaking.

I, for one, have drawn the swastika repeatedly. Do I feel queasy and sacred? You can bet your ass I do. I sure as hell feel sacred. Even if I'm drawing it on the other side of the planet, in the vicinity of my grandparents' house, I still fear that some ignorant tourist is going to come my way and label me as anti-Semitic just because they can't differentiate between the Nazi-Hakenkreuz and the swastika as a religious symbol.

Why should I (or anyone else reading your comment) have reason to respect it when you don't seem to respect what the symbol means in OTHER parts of the world?

Respect goes BOTH ways. Honestly.

Re: 22

[identity profile] flimsy.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
As an atheist my conception of religion is the same as that of magic, so I hope you excuse my possibly confusing phrasing in my first comment.

As to the other part of your comment - I understand where you're coming from and I respect this of course. I redirect you here (http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/67118.html?thread=9212462#t9212462) to the reply I gave the other person who replied to my comment, though.

As an additional note - I do have respect for what it means in other parts of the world. I cannot, however, overcome what I've been taught all my life, what I was possibly born with, and I believe that such a thing as the genocide that happened under the 45° swastika should not be ignored even in the light of different social rules and customs.

Re: 22

[identity profile] twelve.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
...it doesn't matter what it USED to mean or what it means in OTHER parts of the world

Is that what you call respect? By the same token, why would I ever have reason to care what the swastika means now or in the part of the world where you come from?

It's a good thing I'm not really like that, and that in fact I DO care.

Re: 22

[identity profile] flimsy.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not going to argue with you about the use or misuse of symbols and their meaning. Go read my other comment.

Re: 22

[identity profile] twelve.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
*I meant scared, not sacred in the 3rd paragraph. God, my typing is made of fail aldfjalda.

Re: 22

[identity profile] kinneas.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry to butt in, but in genuinely sounds like you are just LOOKING to be offended. The original secret was very clearly on an overlay of Hitler, so why the hell would you assume the OP meant ANYTHING other than the 45-degree Nazi swastika and what's more get so bent out of shape about it?

Re: 22

[identity profile] twelve.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
I was not looking to get offended, but I am offended about what the OP posted. Why? Because this is very personal to me.

Yes, the secret is an overlay of Hitler. Why would I assume the OP meant anything other than a 45-degree Nazi swastika? Well, it might be because of this statement right here: A swastika is not a fashion accessory. It is a symbol of hate.

That? Is a BLANKET statement. It does NOT differentiate between the Nazi swastika and the religious/sacred swastika. What that statement does is claim that ALL swastikas are of the pro-genocide nature when that is NOT true. I doubt the OP realized there were different forms of a swastika before posting their secret, and it's ignorance like that that makes me fearful of being able to practice my own culture freely.

THAT is why I'm so "bent out of shape". I've broken it down as much as I possibly could, so I hope you understand now. If you don't, sorry, I don't know how else to explain it.

Re: 22

[identity profile] lapommedeva.livejournal.com 2007-08-05 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure by "swastika" they just meant the Nazi one. They probably weren't even thinking of the other ones. Yeah, maybe they should have specified, but they probably assumed the reader would know what they meant.