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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-09-14 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #2082 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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05. [SPOILERS for Journey Into Mystery/Everything Burns]



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09. [WARNING for depression/suicide]

[Wilby Wonderful (2004)]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #297.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ],.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-14 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think so, because Applejack and her relatives are the only ponies in the show who have that accent, so it is different from the other ponies' accents. The problem with Gone with the Wind, etc., is that the white and black people would both have had Southern accents, but only the black peoples' were written phonetically, which made it look like black people have an ignorant-sounding dialect while white people speak perfect formal English.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-15 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if you're American or not, but there's actually an extremely noticeable dialectial difference between the way many black and white Americans talk, even today, and that difference would have been much more prevalent in the slave era and under segregation. This difference is noticeable even in areas with otherwise "heavy" accents, such as the American South, especially in poorer, more rural, and less well-educated districts.

The point being, Gone with the Wind assumed that the Southern American accent was the normal or "good" accent, while simultaneously assuming that the AAVE (black) accent implied ignorance. While both sides had an accent, there was a definite choice to present one as non-standard (and therefore bad), and that choice can be seen in a staggeringly large amount of really awful, racist cultural materials from that time.

Nowadays, it's actually the Southern accent that's stigmatized as low-class and uneducated, which was probably what prompted the OP's secret: once again, the "bad" accent is the only one that's being written out. I don't know the show well enough to say if she and her family really are the only ones with a noticeably different accent, but it's still a pet peeve for a lot of people.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2012-09-15 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
This. And there were a couple white characters whose dialogue was written that way, as well, because they were 'cracker' and therefore not as 'educated'. Though Scarlett was an incredibly ignorant person.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-15 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
As a side note, and I realize this is totally not the point of your post, AJ, Rarity, and a few other secondary characters have noticeably different accents. Rarity likes to speak in a vaguely "Canterlot" accent because she thinks it makes her sound sophisticated (think The Rain in Spain), but her sister and parents speak in the American Midwestern-ish accent that's typical of Ponyville. Interestingly, Twilight and her family don't have Canterlot accents, despite having presumably lived there their whole lives.

Applejack was already talked about - she speaks in more of an obvious Southern drawl, because this is a kids' show and she's a farmer.

One of the other two really noticeable differences is the Canterlot ponies, who speak in British accents (although I don't know enough about Britain to know which part). Again, it's because MLP is a kids' show and it's American, and Americans tend to connect that accent with being higher-class and with sophistication.

The other one is Zecora, who speaks in what I think is a Swahili accent...? But beyond the unfortunate implications of Zecora as a whole, I kind of love that her facial bone structure supports her accent: she's got a bigger sinus cavity than the other ponies, and her voice has a corresponding lush ring to it.

[identity profile] flipthefrog.livejournal.com 2012-09-15 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
I actually really want to know where the "all farmers are southern" thing came from, because the American Breadbasket actually has straight-up perfect "broadcaster" accent. Seriously, like 90% of farm country sounds exactly like Walter Cronkite.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-15 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
FYI, the accent of the Canterlot ponies is 'generic upper-class English'. Denotes class rather than region.