[ SECRET POST #2082 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2082 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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09. [WARNING for depression/suicide]

[Wilby Wonderful (2004)]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ],.
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Comments

[visp]

Good analogy! What would you think of someone that said they loved a song but had all the lyrics wrong?

[(Anonymous)]

I would think they had a full, well-rounded life and were not obsessed with that song. Seriously, you can love a song and not be invested in looking up the damn lyrics to ensure you're saying it correctly when you most likely already think you are.

[visp]

But at the same time you have to expect that 1.) people who really like the song won't take you seriously as a fan, if you're trying for any fan cred, and 2.) that people might find it annoying to hear the lyrics sung wrong.

OP's not saying she thinks they're horrible people, she just doesn't take them seriously as fans.

[(Anonymous)]

What does it mean to "take someone seriously as a fan"?

Because it sounds like an excuse for you to judge people for enjoying things differently than you would.

[visp]

What does it mean to "take someone seriously as a fan

You'd have to ask OP. I save my personal pointless judging for when friends make me watch face!off or project runway.

[(Anonymous)]

Except your clearly judging the fuck out of people in this thread... and you're using it as part of your argument.

Why are you using something you don't know the meaning of?

[visp]

I just find mispronunciation annoying in general, like hearing a song sung off key. I also find it particularly annoying when English speakers talk about how hard it is to get Japanese pronunciation right when (other that the r/l thing, there's pretty much no Japanese language sound that can't be duplicated in English. It's not being unable to pronounce it, it's just saying it wrong - there's a difference.

Whether or not it's a deciding factor in whether someone's a serious fan of some sort of Japanese media, I dunno. I mean, I suppose it makes sense to know something about whatever it is you're a fan of, so I can see OP's point.

[(Anonymous)]

Japanese is difficult for most native English speakers to pronounce. If it's not for you, that's awesome, but your experience is atypical. Although if you think most Japanese language sounds exist in English, I strongly suspect your pronunciation is not nearly as good as you think it is. Not only is there the l/r thing, but there is the initial consonant sound in "fu," and only one of the vowel sounds really comes close to the vowel sounds in my native dialect of English. And let's not even get into crazy morae like "ryo" or "shyu," which even I have serious trouble with, and I've got a knack for pronunciation.

Plus, in English vowel sounds are really squidgy. When different dialects (or even just different intonations) pronounce the same word in different ways in English, it's primarily the vowel sounds that change while the consonants remain the same. In Japanese, it's the opposite. That's really hard to grasp for a lot of people who speak one of those language natively and are learning the other.

And the difference between stress-timing and mora-timing? Also really difficult for people who natively only know one of those things to grasp. For example, a lot of native English speakers literally cannot hear the difference between a single and double vowel in Japanese, let alone distinguish geminate consonants.

If you as a native English speaker find pronouncing Japanese easy, you are either very much in the minority or mispronouncing it yourself.

[ariakas]

Hahah indeed, anon, but wait - there's more!

Japanese lacks a glottal stop before leading vowels, hence "en" being transliterated "yen" and other holdouts before romanization was more or less standardized. English, on the other hand, usually has them and this comes through particularly in words like "aoi".

Nasal, terminal 'n' as independent mora is something also completely lacking in English. Also, where and when an internal "n" is pronounced "m", such as "monbu", or devoiced, such as "ren'ai".

Rising and falling intonations; the difference between "ame" (rain) and "ame" (candy), and "hashi" (bridge） and "hashi" (chopsticks).

"Shi" is not actually pronounced with the "sh" of English, hence the transliteration "si" and "syi" - it's between "she" and "see".

...I could go on. But honestly, if one is of the opinion that r/l is the "only" sound Japanese has that English doesn't, I must concur that their Japanese is... uh... suspect. To say the least.

[(Anonymous)]

That they weren't obsessive? Seriously get off your high horse that you're always stuck on. I'm surprised fandom wank hasn't spit you out yet (and I'm sure you only go there because you think it make you 'better' than others).

[visp]

*sigh* Dude... get over yourself. You seem to have a very basic misunderstanding about what this site is about. No one worth paying attention to cares enough about your silly little grudge against me to get involved one way or another. The best you ever get is the occasional person who hasn't caught on to your trolling ways going 'huh what now? Well that was sorta mean,' and maybe, maybe if you're lucky, another bored troll joining in because they're hoping it'll start something. And no, no matter how hard you try, you'll never be interesting enough to even get on fandom wank. You have to really have an issue to argue over to get featured there (if they're even still alive) and just randomly spitting out insults every week or so isn't enough.

[(Anonymous)]

Diff anon

The more you talk the more you sound like a judgey asshole.

[visp]

In other news, you just made me think 'hm, Weird Anon talks like fandom_wank is back from the dead, I should check,' and lo and behold, it was! Oh I have so much catching up to do, and I have to stay home tonight! Thank you, weird anon, thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

poop they still haven't turned on new user registration

I wanna join in on the wank

[visp]

One of the Supernatural pretty boys did a cameo in a music video along with his wife and now his tinhat fandom is tearing their hair and wailing with grief over the horror of him still denying that he's in love with his prettyboy co-star. Why must he flaunt his lie to the world? It's really quite glorious.

[darkmanifest]

I'd think that it's entirely possible to listen to a song a million and one times and never think to look it up the lyrics (or to look them up and find them still incorrect, because the original artist never put out an official dictation of the words anywhere). Artists sometimes get the lyrics to their own songs wrong while performing live. Not a big deal.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I must have listened to the newest Sleigh Bells album at least a hundred times, but fuck me if I don't always hear the line "below the low tide" as "we live a long time." Some things just aren't a big deal. You can like stuff without knowing everything about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, Jesus. I'm not a huge fan, but I swear to God I had no idea what the titular words in Katy Perry's "Fireworks" and "E.T." were. She doesn't pronounce them anywhere close to what any native speaker I've heard has.