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Not caring about femmslash =/= misogyny as much as you want to believe that.

absolutely true. But media with poorly written female characters combined with fandoms made up of women with a tendency to be overly critical of same might result in a pattern of fans who would otherwise be all about the femslash just not being too interested.

ftr I am totally open to being convinced otherwise, I was just aware of that as a possible explanation.

-ayrt

Different person than the anon above, but this explanation is way more nuanced and reasonable than what I thought you were going to say- a lot of the time when I see someone cite 'misogyny' as a reason for not writing femslash, they mean it in the 'If you're a women who doesn't write femslash obviously you just hate your own vagina' sense. Which is... inflammatory, and might be what anon above thought you meant with that.

lol well tbh I hadn't thought much about it until after I posted

It's really crazy to me that anyone would ever say that, about women hating their own vaginas (by which I assume you mean general womanhood). Because that kind of makes it seem like reading Het is some kind of inherently Vagina-Positive act, which is... weird?
And it really sucks as well, because I honestly think that at least for some young women part of the appeal of slash is the escape from the discomfort with their own sexuality. And discomfort isn't the same as hate or misogyny, at least imo, so trying to shame young women for liking certain kinds of erotica just sounds generally shitty.

In fairness, I'm faaairly certain I've only heard the idea stated so directly when I'm discussing it with people in anon spaces, which allows for a certain amount of trolling and/or hyperbole. But I've been a lurker on femslash comms for a while now and read a lot of femslash meta on LJ & DW, and there's this odd sort of... undercurrent to a lot of it, I suppose? that really feels that way to me. Very few of the pieces I've read are really blatant about it, but there's definitely a trend there imo.

To me, there's two 'types' of femslash communities: femslash subcommunities within fandoms and panfandom femslash comms. Between what I mentioned above and a lot of other politics and hypocrisy that really frustrate me in the panfandom femslash places (Holy TV and Movie-centricness, Batman! and lots of policing over what kind of femslash is 'right'), I definitely prefer the latter to the former these days, even if they tend to be a lot smaller. (Though I will say it's not all that way, and there are some genuinely awesome people who are active there.)

(And yeah, I do mean general womanhood there. I should probably pick a better expression to convey that- I don't even remember where I picked that turn of phrase up.)

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ia with this, especially the first part. Many times women don't really interact with women as much as men do with men (or women with men).

But I do think that there's more than one factor and all.

failing the bechdel test! yeah, that too! (though lbr, slash ships have sailed on less than plenty of women get in canon)

So it's probably pretty complex. Basically I wanted to point out that "because fandom is mostly women and women like mostly dudes" may be part of the story, but not the whole story.

-ayrt

nayrt but yeah, this. obvs it varies from fandom to fandom, but some fandoms are dominated by male characters and the female chars are really crap.

Except it often is...no matter how well written a female character is, most fans won't like her. And that's not even talking about shipping her with anyone.

See: Elena Fisher and Chloe Frazer from Uncharted.

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