[ SECRET POST #2120 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2120 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i47.tinypic.com/2ep0tqr.png

[(Anonymous)]

i think this movie was pretty bad, honestly, but i still support it cause god damn it. we need more female centered stuff!!

[morieris]

Same...for at least the first thirty minute and the last five.

[(Anonymous)]

It makes me wonder if the movie would have been better if it never changed directors, because the original direct was more concerned with the Mother/daughter relationship then Pixar apparently was.

[brightblueink]

I wonder that ALL the time. It feels like the film's two different movies that got jammed together.

[(Anonymous)]

What pissed me off is that the original director was a woman, and all of a sudden a dudebro took over. (Seriously, the TIME article explained how he stood outside the studios playing with a sword.)

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't get the criticisms, because it's basically Finding Nemo with people instead of fish and a female lead. To me, all the complaints boiled down to how hard it is to connect to a film with too much vagina in it.

[truxillogical]

Y'know, I never made the Finding Nemo connection, but you're very right.

Finding Nemo did feel like it had a bit more to it, though. Maybe that was because it was a longer journey with more short scenes to it. "A Boy And His Dad"=for everyone. "A Girl And Her Mother"=for girls.

[(Anonymous)]

At least for me, I liked Finding Nemo because it was bright, colorful, and I liked the humor in it. I didn't like the parts of Brave I skimmed through because at this point, I've seen a lot of CG, and the semi-realistic looks don't grab my attention like Finding Nemo or Monster Inc. did back in the days when CG was fairly new(ish). Brave felt less funny, and although I love that the characters have accents, it's also difficult for me to identify with the main lead because she sounded so different. Personal issues, I know, but that's enough to make the movie less enjoyable for me.

[gabzillaz]

To me, all the complaints boiled down to how hard it is to connect to a film with too much vagina in it.

Oh please.

Personally, I felt Nemo was... bigger. It truly felt like an epic journey. Brave didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah that's pretty much what I see too

girl??? have personality??? and problems??? girl have relationship with other girl??? me no understand girl problem!!!

[(Anonymous)]

...But the only thing Finding Nemo and Brave have in common is that... They're both about a parent and child.

Finding Nemo was about a paranoid father whose worst fear was almost realized because he was wrong and his son was right, and in his paranoia, he was suffocating his son. But that's just it--Nemo WAS right. He COULD do things. Marlin just didn't want to lose him and so was afraid of ever letting go.

Elinor, meanwhile, isn't. she just doesn't value Merida's skills because they're not what she would need as Queen. And she says it herself--she does know Merida can care for herself. She's just not sure Merida is willing to pay the price for the freedom she wants. And when you watch it, Merida ISN'T at first. Because she pins it all on her mom--all the problems, all the pressure. When, no, it isn't that simple. Merida is young and, most of all, she is WRONG. Her mother is trying to keep a very delicate peace with no way she can see out of it. It takes Merida, instructed by her mother, making a speech and reminding the clans of their bonds and how they fought together for the freedom they currently have to open the way to her own freedom--something the sons supported, and thus got their dads to support.

But really, what it comes down to is: both parents and children are flawed and neither of them were entirely right or wrong. Unlike Finding Nemo, which was more focused on Marlin's journey.

[(Anonymous)]

Um no. I don't know what complaints you've been reading but those are not the problems I have with the movie. I was very excited for Brave because I wanted a Pixar movie with a female lead very badly.

And while the movie wasn't full on horrible, it did have a ton of storytelling problems in it. In addition to a director change, Pixar apparently really struggled with this film and even those in the studio weren't all too happy with the final product.

[sockpants]

No.

In Finding Nemo, the characters just seemed to develop along with the storyline. In Brave, at least to me, the storyline seemed really forced into telling you "OK so Merida and her mom are changing. SEE HOW MUCH THEY'RE CHANGING!" It's not about "too much vagina," it's a problem with the storytelling- show, don't tell.

I mean, I didn't exactly dislike Brave, I just think it really fell short of Pixar's usual standards.

[greenvelvetcake]

I genuinely liked Brave...

As for the best parent/child relationship in a Pixar film, I don't know, The Incredibles is hard to top.

[(Anonymous)]

Incredibles was pretty good, too, in that regard, I will agree with that. I might be a little biased toward Brave just because it featured a relationship between mother and daughter that was relatively close to my own experience.

But the very fact that Brave had such a touchingly real depiction of a mother and daughter at odds with one another that it could resonate with my own life experience is what I think makes it good, at least when it comes to that situation. Like I said in the secret, the rest of it wasn't so great - the epic legend didn't feel much like an epic.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so sick of the crit for this movie. Most of the reviews were "Ewww, why does it center on a mother-daughter story?! That sucks! OH EM GEE, La Luna was an amazing story about a son and father!"

I think people missed the point. It's a mother-daughter story. Something you rarely ever see. I love Brave for that simple fact.

[(Anonymous)]

While Brave didn't knock me on my ass like WALL-E or Up did, it has stayed with me and has made me think quite a bit. I might not put it in Pixar's first rank (which I consider to consist of WALL-E, Up, and Toy Story 3), but it's definitely up there. I'd even rank it ahead of Finding Nemo, which I didn't really care for.

And it didn't hurt that I *wish* I could have a relationship with my mother like Merida had with Elinor, either. :(

[caecilia]

I really like Brave. It's more mellow than other Pixar movies and I hope they tell other types of stories with female protagonists in the future, but it was a decent story. I'd watch it again. Overall I'm really happy that there's a princess story out there that doesn't end in marriage, and a fairy tale that doesn't have an evil mother. I hope things progress from there.

[killaurey]

I liked Brave kinda. But the previews made it look more Epic Quest material than mother-daughter bonding, so when I saw it I was totally let down because I'd expected Epic Quest. Mother-daughter bonding is awesome but yeah, it wasn't what I'd thought I'd be getting out of the movie which left me seriously under-whelmed with the movie as a whole.

[(Anonymous)]

Word, OP. What's more, I've been a daughter and now I'm a mother. It's wonderful and satisfying to see the incredibly complex relationship between mother and daughter played out in depth. Neither was the bad guy, neither was completely right. It felt honest.

[oroburos69]

Brave got stuck between two ideas and two plots, and it came off as realistic, but sadly lacking in epic-ness.

[la_petite_singe]

Yep, I hear ya. The magic aspects were a little old hat, but I loved that it focused on mother/daughter, when that's usually barely in Pixar/Disney films at all, let alone the main relationship. Also Kelly ♥

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

I think the problems came from the trailers making it look like something it wasn't. They said action-adventure when the movie was a family story. I mean, I was kind of disappointed there wasn't more adventure too it.

But looking at it for what it was, it was kind of fantastic. The characters were so real and the miscommunications made sense. It was funnier than I expected. The conflict was solved through coming to understand each other and words, rather than solving problems by punching them in the face.

[netbug009]

True, the mother daughter aspect felt real. I'll give it that. Still just felt flat to me. It lacked the "Pixar spark" so to speak.