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Certain episodes clearly have messages or morals they're trying to show. Did you see Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina? The whole episode was about him getting a sex change, and how it was unnatural, how he was wrong and perverted, ect ect.

Did YOU see how at the end he was happy with "the new me" and ran off to find a man, and how for the rest of the season the character was called MRS Garrison and referred to as "she" with no further fuss? SO PHOBIC OMG.

Please, the whole point of the episode that it was unnatural and wrong; that they kept Garrison as a woman to use for more humor in later episodes doesn't negate that.

I'm not seeing it.

It's fairly obvious when SP is lampooning something or when they have an actual agenda-- like the episode aout Terri Shiavo.

This episode was just them using transgender surgery as a launching pad for jokes about black people and dolphins.

Yes, with the joke being that wanting a sex change was as ridiculous as having surgery to become a black person or a dolphin.

In the beginning of the episode, the doctor giving Garrison the sex change tells him "I think if more people could just see a sex-change operation, they would know how perfectly natural it is." Then we see graphic real-life footage as the doctor explains what he's doing. The joke is that it's unnatural.

When Garrison sees Mr. Slave, Mr. Slave is upset and tells him "It's great that you feel better, but you never stopped to think about how other people around you would feel!" Garrison is portrayed as being selfish or wrong.

When Garrison is told that he can't get pregnant, he says "But I paid five thousand dollars to be a woman. This would mean I I'm not really a woman. Ih, I'm just a... I'm just a guy with a mutilated penis!"

Etc, etc.

if I was in a long-term relationship with someone and they got a surprise!sex change, I'd probably be a bit dismayed too, especially if I preferred the sex they used to be. just sayin yo

here's the thing, though: trans* people in real life DON'T get surprise sex changes because it's actually really difficult and involves a lot of money and possibly mandatory therapy (if I recall correctly, may just be in some places) that their SO would HAVE to find out about at some point. You can't just walk into a hospital and come back home all "Hey honey, I'm a girl now! What's for dinner?"

Trans* people lose their partners all the time because of attitudes that these kinds of jokes perpetuate. But nope, the partners are the only people who matter, right? God forbid a woman get rid of her penis because it'll make HER happy.

That isn't to say that the partners have no right to feel bad about it, or even to leave, because hey, sometimes you're just not attracted to X gender or sex. But trans* people have just as much a right to express what they want, and if someone truly cares about the person they are with they should at least consider supporting them. They are still the same person inside, no matter what their genitalia says, and that is what counts a lot more.

in the show it WAS a surprise yo
stop acting like anything in south park ever is a realistic portrayal of anything irl ever

also some people are completely unable to be physically attracted to one sex, and I don't think it's fair to expect them to stay with someone they aren't attracted to physically anymore. sex IS generally an important part of romantic relationships.

did you miss the part where I pretty much said that's an understandable reaction or what

my point is not that they can't have their own feelings about it. my point is that trans* folks have a lot to deal with, and if my partner was trans I would want to support them, because who they are as a person is just as important in the relationship.

right, but here's the problem:

in order to get SRS, you have to meet certain guidelines, including doing hormone therapy for a while and presenting yourself full time as your identified gender for a while (this is not to say that these guidelines are okay, but that is how things are). it's probably possible to schedule SRS without your partner knowing, though there's going to be a lot of reasons why that would be difficult (recovery time, etc) but it's... kind of impossible to pull a SURPRISE SEX CHANGE on a current partner unless you don't see them or talk to them for years. maybe they would not know that you wanted SRS, but they would at least know what gender you identified as. by the time SRS would be happening, no trans woman's boyfriend would not know that she's a woman.

in real life the "you're being selfish!" conversations generally happen when 1) partner a is out as trans to partner b and openly plans to get SRS, but partner b does not want them to, or 2) partner a has realized they're trans and is now telling partner b about it, before any medical procedures have taken place. which is way different than "honey, I'm home! with new genitals!"

and a bigger problem actually is the blame around it. you can stop dating someone you're no longer attracted to, but it doesn't mean that they're the bad guy or that you can't support them at all or that any kind of relationship the two of you have would be over. i'm pretty sure that if my partner ever came out to me as trans, i would want to break up, because i am just not attracted to men- but i'd still be a huge douche if i acted like that should determine whether my partner should do what they need to do.

because yes people can break up with each other and that's sad, but it's more important to be able to live with yourself than to stay in a relationship with someone you love.

that's "selfish" in the same way it's selfish to miss your anniversary to go to the hospital when you're injured, sometimes the bigger priorities are your own issues.

To be fair, though, the way you're portraying it sounds like the trans person wouldn't tell their partner until the last minute. Surely it's not a snap decision--if that's something you're thinking about, you should probably tell your SO pretty early on in the relationship. At least, that's how I feel. It's not something you should spring on someone you supposedly care about.

did you even read my comment

It's NOT a thing people just spring on their SO's at the last minute. That is literally the exact opposite of what I said. It's something plenty of couples HAVE agonized over, and it has strengthened just as many relationships as it has destroyed. Someone being trans shouldn't negate who they are or whether or not you care about them as a person, and if it does then sorry, you're kind of a shitty person!

(and I'm separating this completely from the issue of sexual attraction, which is another matter entirely)

It'd be one thing if they just had Mr. Slave leaving because "I'm gay! I don't like vaginas!" But along with everything else that happened in the episode, the scene basically acted like Garrison was wrong and shouldn't have gotten the sex change because of how it made Mr. Slave feel.

except that if you're making a decision that profound you should at least talk it over with your partner beforehand so that they can get used to the thought and decide if they can handle it or not. some people can. some people, like mr slave, cannot. it IS something that WILL affect more than one person, and if mr slave was unable to handle a sexual relationship with mrs garrison (instead of mr garrison) then that was something that mr garrison should have tried to find out before becoming mrs garrison. if becoming a woman was important enough to him that he was willing to give up being with mr slave for it, then he should have figured all that out before becoming a woman. but he basically assumed that mr slave would have zero issues with it despite knowing that mr slave was only attracted to men. kinda short-sighted imo

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I don't think the episode had a "point". Matt and Trey admitted that they didn't have much of an idea of what to do so they said "Hey, let's do an episode on sex changes."

And their opinions didn't influence the way they wrote the episode?

Not necessarily. It is kind of hard to believe that they share the feelings of every episode they have. Their job is to make fun, and take the extremist view. If they didn't know what to write about, then they might have once again looked at that view.

Which episodes have taken an extremist view? Most of their viewpoints are libertarian.

I don't think you understand what 'extremist' means. You can have an extremist view of anything. There are conservative extremists and liberal extremists. Just like there are extremists of every religion.

South Park takes an idea and then shows the most extreme version of that idea possible.

And I was asking which episodes had an extremist viewpoint.

All of them.

Child abduction episode, where the parents sent their kids to live on the street.

Fish dicks episode, where Kanye West went absolutely crazy.

Michael Jackson being a literal dancing fairy whose body parts fell off.

The internet going down and men literally going crazy because they couldn't get free porn, with Randy eventually filling a room with cum.

Wal-Mart brainwashing people into nigh-literal zombies.

No, it was that Garrison was never really a woman even though he had a sex change. Which is how the show treated him the whole time he was Mrs. Garrison.

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