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[ SECRET POST #2131 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2131 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Red Dwarf X]

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05. http://i.imgur.com/yB8cp.png
[linked for illustrated Snape/Harry porn]

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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

17. [SPOILERS for Detective Conan/Case Closed]

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18. [SPOILERS for Miller's Crossing]

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19. [SPOILERS for Journey into Mystery]

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20. [SPOILERS for Sanctuary]

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21. [SPOILERS for Journey into Mystery/Thor]

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22. [SPOILERS for DCnU Suicide Squad]

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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

23. [WARNING for rape]

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24. [WARNING for suicide]

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Notes:

To the anon that wanted warnings on .gif secrets: I'm not sure how I could effectively implement that. For triggery or spoilery secrets, one could just not read the text, but for .gifs by the time you get to the warning, it's already moving in your field of vision. If you have a suggestion as to how it could be done without just linking the secret (it's not breaking any rules or containing porn or gore, so that wouldn't be fair), let me know. Putting it in the notes for now.

16 is a .gif, by the way.

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Good people are few and far between in stories because they're considered 'boring'. So I feel like that character type is precious.

Yes, this exactly. IDK how many times I've heard someone call a character boring because they were inherently good. It makes me sad. :/

I know. It makes me said too. I truly think they can be interesting. Why is good considered boring anyway?

(Also, I love your Kaidan icon.)

I'm not sure, exactly. I think people may believe that good equals uncomplicated, hence the boring. Which can be far from the truth in some cases. And even if someone is uncomplicated, I still don't think that automatically makes a character boring. It really depends on the specific character.

(Thanks! I felt this was an appropriate time to use a Kaidan icon, heh. While not perfect, he is a good guy.)

What you say sounds about right. I believe good is complicated when you think about it. If they're deciding to be good in a world where people normally aren't then they are different and complex somehow.

But as you said, even if they're uncomplicated that doesn't mean they're boring.

(Yes he is. Alistair too. Though I don't know if he got the accusations or not.)

If they're deciding to be good in a world where people normally aren't then they are different and complex somehow.

Yea! I think sometimes being good can be harder than being bad. And it often doesn't have the same benefits either. Especially in video game land, where if you play an evil character you often get more money and better stuff, and generally things tend to be easier for you game-play wise. Where-as the good characters usually have to go the extra mile or find a different solution that takes more effort.

(With Alistair it's usually more about how 'whiny' he is. But I've heard people call him boring as well.)

Yeah, video games really make you work most of the time if you want to be a good person.

Actually, that's why I liked Mass Effect. I felt both Renegade and Paragon had to work equally to get to the end.

(Oh yeah, the whiny thing. How could I forget? I must have blocked it out.)

ME did a wonderful job with making both Renegade and Paragon awesome, fun options, and making them both feel very viable and realistic as well. At least until 3...can't comment on that because I only played the game once (as a Paragon), but some of the Renegade options seemed less 'I'm doing this because it has to be done' and more '*evil cackle*'. Maybe I'm wrong though.

/ME rant, idek, ignore me.

Yeah, no, I get what you mean, don't worry. I can't speak about ME3 though because I'm currently making my way through 2... five times. (One for each of my Shepard's) Also, I've had to restart three times on one Shepard because Kelly won't feed my fish.

Yes, I restart games for stupid things.

But yeah, in ME and ME2 I truly enjoy that I'm not held back by choosing to be Paragon, Renegade, or Paragade. Okay, ME2 is bad with Paragade people but I used the morality glitch so it's cool.

Of course, because we have the freedom to do good or bad without much work I end up hating my Renegade play through. I can take my equally Paragade runs but my full Renegade makes me feel like such a horrible person sometimes. I feel so bad about some of that stuff.

Oh, five times! I completed ME five times, ME2 three times, but have play-throughs for all five of my Shepard's in ME2 as well. Haven't finished the other two after ME3...had no desire to for a good while there, and now no time for it.

Damn Kelly! Have you looked up what specific things you need to do to get her to feed your fish? If not, I'd suggest it. Or maybe it's a glitch. :/ Either way: gah!

Yea, ME2 isn't kind to people who want to play both fields, but there are ways around it. On my Paragade run I mostly stuck to Paragon but indulged in Renegade occasionally, which is pretty much what I want to do most times anyway.

A lot of the Renegade stuff is...kinda understandable? Like, I don't necessarily endorse it, but I've played a Renegade character that felt more no-nonsense and cautious than evil. But some of the stuff...like that one option to tell Jack she's a killing machine and nothing more, that I could never do in any play-through. That stuff is just awful and I can't find any way to justify that if you aren't playing a mustache twirling villain.

I have the patience to do it and it seems you do too. But yeah, I heard about the ending. I understand your reluctance. And I don't have time right now either. It's why I'm still on my first play through.

I have googled the crap out of Kelly. As far as I know I should be able to have the conversation by the time I recruit Samara, my last teammate. Now, there is a quote from a Bioware ME2 developer saying that they left Kelly open to feeding your fish if you friend her or romance her. This is a lie. I know because I tried. People blindly took the developer's word but the only success stories and my own frustration have proven that it has to be romantic. Not only does it have to be romantic, in the second conversation when she makes a romance check you have to affirm that yes, it's a romance, or you will be set back on friendship and fail. Now I'm testing how much I have to flirt while on the romance track. It's annoying but once I have the formula I'll be able to do it quickly for all of my characters.

/End Kelly rant. Sorry about that.

Ha~ Yeah, I understand that feeling. I did that once in ME. Doing good things but giving lip when ~~Udina~~ people deserve it. For me, I just did the morality glitch so I wouldn't have to worry and I could just do whatever I want. I don't mind be restricted in game play but I only like being restricted in story if I made a bad choice, not because of some arbitrary bar.

Oh no, it's understandable and that's why I can play a Renegade at all. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to stomach it. But I agree, that other stuff? I just don't like being so mean, even if it's to a bunch of pixels. The whole point of a good story for me is to become emotionally attached to not only the story but the characters too. So to do that kind of stuff really makes me squeamish.

I think it's because a lot of fandom involves teenagers, who think character flaws = Deep Sophisticated Adult Shit that only enlightened intelligent mature people like us 14 year olds can truly understand, whereas good guys = stupid kiddie stuff, oh god help, get it away from me before my friends see.

And they make like you can't enjoy both. Um what. Personally, I love both super-good guys and highly flawed dicks. Totally compelling stuff, both types. What is this bizarre rule that you have to go for only one or the other?

Ahaha, but I get that reaction from my peers (and teachers) in college. Along similar lines, I've changed the ending of my plays to be darker because nobody appreciated a happy ending. They didn't think it was as meaningful. I've kind of given up on having the chance to write happy endings.

You're totally right. In fact, I like it when both are in the same story because they work well off each other. Bah!

What is this bizarre rule that you have to go for only one or the other?

I don't know man but it reminds me of people who act like I can only like one of the female characters in the show, not all, because that would be devastating... for some reason.

Edited 2012-11-03 03:51 (UTC)

I'm glad Capsicle's finally getting some love. Everywhere I go it's like Loki is hogging all the love.

Well, I love everybody. It's an infinite resource that I can give away freely.

So we can totally get our love on together. About Cap. Platonically.

Loki is the personification of the character type I dislike most -- that being the exact opposite of MCU Steve Rogers.

ALWAYS FANDOM'S FAVE, THOUGH

I think it's a gradual societal shift. I mean, if you think about it, a lot of protagonists are more dick-ish now, and people like that. And on the flip side, villains are getting more and more sympathetic (which is a good thing! Except when woobification occurs). See also: how narratives treat angels and vampires now. A lot of angels occurring in popular fictions are jackasses now, where they're rigid and unyielding and ruthless. And the bad boy romantic vampire things has been in for decades.

I think it's kind of interesting.

I think I get what you're saying. It's kind of like in the forties where they would have morally questionable heroes and then the fifties came and most heroes started becoming squeaky clean.

I get that, in general, we as a society go through trends. Heck, just compare previous eras of writing to our own today. It's not even character types of story forms but also just general word choice, grammar, pacing.

However, the writer and consumer in me is a little upset by it because what I like isn't considered "adult". I just wish we could go through trends without shitting on those who aren't popular right now.

But yeah, it is interesting. I think that too.

Oh, same! I personally love Steve and I don't think he's boring at all. He has a lot of character and flaws and he just genuinely is a good person despite everything. It's unfair that people think that a protagonist who wants to be a good person is 'boring', because they're not. (Well, they can be, but just as much as any other character type). It's like people are stuck back in the past where a genuinely good character is default and to be expected, and thus simplistic, whereas anything else is so original and edgy and thoughtful, even though that hasn't been the case for ages.

(A similar thing is happening to Thor - though his flaws are more apparent because his movie was about overcoming them, a lot of people see his straightforward and cheerful persona as being boring, too. Idk why, I love Thor).

And I saw your comment above about the endings to your plays and that made me D:. Trends are fine and good and inescapable, but when writers are feeling stifled by them it's frustrating. Just because an ending is happy doesn't mean it's not deep, and just because an ending is unhappy doesn't mean it's automatically superior.

Yeah, that fact that people don't realize Steve has flaws kind of irks me. Sometimes I feel people don't look at Steve and judge him. They look at the idea of Steve and judge that. Not always, there are people who don't like him and I'm cool with that. It's just sometimes I have to sit there and wonder if we're talking about the same character, you know?

It's like people are stuck back in the past where a genuinely good character is default and to be expected, and thus simplistic, whereas anything else is so original and edgy and thoughtful, even though that hasn't been the case for ages.

Yes, this. I think it's a generational thing. The baby boomers are still in power and they were the ones who got sick and tired of the constant "good hero" character. From their perspective, I completely understand too. If I didn't have constant "jerk heroes" at all in my childhood and had to deal with only "good heroes" I would probably have a similar reaction and aversion. What I don't get are the kids who were born in the nineties and after. They had a whole bunch of "jerk heroes" to choose from. Maybe the feelings from the baby boomers have bled over?

(I love Thor too and think he is quite complex. In fact, one of my favorite fics was from Thor's perspective. He was very smart but was dealing with learning a new culture and having to learn new customs while not everyone understood his problem. I was really interesting.)

Yeah, I literally gave the same play in twice, unaltered except for the ending, and the happy ending one got people condemning it as childish while the sad ending had people praising me on how deep and meaningful and stuff it was. I was just :| So I really don't bother with happy endings anymore. It's restricting but I'll live. Maybe things will change in a few years.

Just because an ending is happy doesn't mean it's not deep, and just because an ending is unhappy doesn't mean it's automatically superior.

You're preaching to the choir.

I love Thor too and think he is quite complex. In fact, one of my favorite fics was from Thor's perspective. He was very smart but was dealing with learning a new culture and having to learn new customs while not everyone understood his problem. I was really interesting.

Oooh, can I have a link to this?

I can't seem to find it. All I know is that it was recced here on F!S in response to a Thor secret about how Thor wasn't an idiot. He didn't know a lot because of cultural differences but wasn't stupid. The secret was upset about fandoms portrayal of him.

I found this... http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/665335.html?thread=578497015#cmt578497015

Damn. That is the secret I was thinking of... but not the rec. I checked all the responses to the secret and couldn't find it. It was an actual fic. Now I wonder where I read it... so weird.

Thank you for finding the secret, anon.

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