[ SECRET POST #2132 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2132 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree for the most part - shipping wars are so ridiculous to me, or arguing about which character is "better" - but there are times where RL issues slip in. I'm a big Sherlock fan, and I've never watched Elementary, but I had to blacklist a lot of Sherlock stuff because of some really upsetting racism and sexism. I don't care if people ship fucked up things (I certainly do) but if I see post justifying abusive behavior, I feel obligated to comment. People do get too worked up over stupid fandom shit and should often mind their own business and have their own fun, but it's not completely isolated from serious issues.

Tbh, I used to roll my eyes at the whole back and forth fandom debate about woobifying Loki (and other characters like him.) Until I accidentally stumbled upon some real life murderer woobification/glorification and saw some of the same language used. I still think "let the teenage girls have their fun, they'll grow out of it", but I get why justifying mass murder (even fictional) might be upsetting to some people.

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I still think "let the teenage girls have their fun, they'll grow out of it", but I get why justifying mass murder (even fictional) might be upsetting to some people.

Yes, this is why a lot of Draco In Leather Pants-ing fangirls piss me off so much. I don't think they'd seriously feel that way about real people they know or anything, but the implications they voice, however ignorantly, in "oh but it doesn't matter that he killed all those people, because he's having such a sad identity crisis/so many daddy issues/he doesn't feel like he belongs" ARE rage-inducing because that shit happens IRL and no, I would not give two fucks if a guy who killed loads of people is having some ~personal crisis~ or not. The people are still dead because he thought his problems were more important than their lives, and that phenomenon is not fictional.

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yeah but it's the same as any other kind of fantasy. People often love characters that they'd find repugnant in real life, and fantasize about things that would actually be awful. Doesn't mean they think it's real. Sure, some might get reality and fantasy confused, but they're the minority.

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ayrt

I know they don't think they're real, but that's what makes it so much more repugnant -- trivializing something they know is wrong just because they're lazy or don't care.

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ummm not really? Are people with rape fantasies repugnant? We all know and agree that rape is horrible but there are some people who find it compelling, interesting, sexy, whatever in fiction. It doesn't mean they are lazy/don't care about actual victims.

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That's why it's sort of a grey line area for me between the "shipping wars" and "wow that's a racist comment" sides of the spectrum (in terms of whether you should mind your own business and not let other people's enjoyment of fandom bother you.) On one hand, I love lots of problematic characters too. And like you say, just because you like a fictional character, doesn't mean that you would have those feelings toward a RL murderer. But I can understand why some people get upset. Because some of the language used to describe Loki (etc.) can be construed as going across the line between fiction and reality, as being similar to RL murderer fangirls'.

To use your example, there is nothing wrong with someone having a rape fantasy. But if they're talking about a fictional rape scene, blaming the woman or saying that she must have enjoyed it... well maybe that doesn't reflect how they would feel about a RL woman being raped. But I can definitely see why people would see that as not an isolated fandom comment and would get upset.