[ SECRET POST #2137 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2137 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[insanenoodlyguy]

But... he's not a self insert. So unless your saying you mary sue yourself to be with him... I dont' get it.

[(Anonymous)]

Captain America is a self-insert because the comics were written by America himitself. :D /kidding

[vethica]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they're saying.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think self insert is a requirement for being Mary Sue

[(Anonymous)]

Technically, it is. A Mary Sue by true definition (not just by "lol character I don't like/find boring/too goody-goody") is an obvious author avatar made extremely and ridiculously perfect, whose opinion is always right, is flawlessly beautiful, is immediately loved/accepted/idolized with no thought to canon story, world structure, characterization, etc. The biggest factor is the fic as a whole has no interesting qualities to anyone who is not the author, because, y'know, as the author it's only interesting because it's about you.

The word is wildly misused today. A true Mary Sue is way more delightfully awful, and rare, than fandom would have you think.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU.

I could just write "thank you" over and over again for eons in response to this.

It's been driving me absolutely up the wall. Every character who has a unique characteristic or who is heavily involved in the plot these days is dubbed a Mary Sue. No! NO! Those aren't Mary Sues! And furthermore, why do they seem to want non-unique characters who have no impact on the plot? What would even be the point of writing about them? GAH.

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I'm concerned, Sues/Stus are characters that warp the story universe around them in illogical ways or break the rules of their universe (this definition allows for canon Sues/Stus).

So like, a character appears and everyone with OMG totally loves them, or OMG totally hates them why are they so meeeean which... doesn't happen in real life. There is no logical reason for the other characters to have such strong reactions to someone they just met. They are warping the logic of their universe to place themselves at the center of it.

Or like, you have a character that's established as being the best at X in their universe, and then another character comes along, and oh look! They're better at X than pre-established character! If there isn't a plot specifically revolving around how this came to be, the new character has a very good chance at being a Sue/Stu.

Etc. etc. I think it's a pretty good and useful diagnostic criteria for bad writing. Characters should have realistic reactions to other characters. Universal rules and settings need to remain consistent.

By this definition, a character doesn't necessarily have to be an author insert in order to be a Sue/Stu. Just a particular brand of awkwardly written.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Sometimes they have flaws... but it's always the same kind of external flaws, usually perception of others. The "they don't appreciate how awesome this person is", or "they are cursed/vampire/sociopathic maniac killers" sort of bullshit.

It doesn't get in the way of their being utterly perfect otherwise. There being unpopular/crazy is generally only because the REST of the world sucks.