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[ SECRET POST #2138 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2138 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Cabin in the Woods]

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[Hanna Is Not A Boy's Name]

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[Vampire Diaries]

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[009 RE:CYBORG]

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07. [SPOILERS for Elementary]

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08. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]

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09. [SPOILERS for Journey Into Mystery 2011/Young Avengers 2012]

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10. [SPOILERS for Skyfall]

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[ -----TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

11. [WARNING for abuse]

[Chris Brown / Jaejoong (JYJ)]

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12. [WARNING for incest]

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13. [WARNING for abuse]

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14. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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15. [WARNING for suicide]

[Edna and Harvey: Harvey's New Eyes]

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Are you seriously nuts? Don't you think if the police could protect Jaejoong, they would? Don't you think if Jaejoong could stop the ARMIES of stalkers he gets, every fucking second of the day, he would? I doubt he feels safe and he has every reason not to.

And fuck the stalker if the victim loses his or her shit. Seriously, you are victim blaming.

I'm glad you like it too!

That's what sold me on it. Snape is not a good person, even if he ultimately fought on the protagonists' side.

(I am genuinely curious, in a wary sort of way, about how the author will go about developing Snape into someone who is at least decent.)

Good Girl!Harry fic is kind of a rare beast.

If you are interested in reading more later, I also recommend Girl in the War by astridfire

http://archiveofourown.org/works/422080/chapters/704262

It's a less "canon-like" girl!Harry, though, and it is more of a canon rehash (going through different paths to arrive to more or less the same canon climaxes of the books), but it's fairly decent.

Another one that looks interesting is Rose Potter -- The-Girl-Who-Lived by
josephina_x

http://archiveofourown.org/works/497962/chapters/872933

It's still too early to tell where it's going (plot and character-wise), but so far it's a little more, ah, I wouldn't say "dark", but it strikes me as less cheery than most fanfiction and even the books. A bit more poignant, at times?

The Harry in this one is a little more jaded and perceptive, but also even more quick to jump to conclusions and make wrong judgements.

It's a weird atmosphere (for me), but I've liked it so far.

It hasn't updated in a while, though, and I don't know if this is normal for the author or if they lost steam.

I also liked

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3723535/1/JLP

and

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7188346/1/Would_She_Like_Pink

but they are just one-shots.

Sorry if I don't have much sympathy for fucking stalkers. Judging from that transcript it looks like Jaejoong fucking snapped - "do I have to live like this?!" "this is a fan?!" - but I've heard celebrity stalkers are absolutely batshit in Korea.. well they are everywhere, but these stalkers literally are an army that sometimes work together to harass others, and various K-pop stars have been randomly assaulted, sexually harassed, had their shit stolen, etc. No, I don't give a fuck if the stalker is a woman, no, I'm not going to shed tears over the fact that they are mentally disturbed when stalkers are known to get violent, even rape and murder victims. No. Jaejoong was a victim, quit making this about gender. YES, he assaulted that girl, NO, he shouldn't have done that, YES, it was terrible and wrong, but is he fucking Chris Brown? FUCK NO. Stalkers are TERRIFYING and Jaejoong, being one of Korea's most popular idols, probably gets the most of them.

Fuck YOU, OP, for equating a victim blowing up to a man beating up his girlfriend. Fuck you, and I hope you never have to experience the scary fucking reality of stalkers.

Ugh. And I'm not even a fucking Jaejoong fan (though I think his plastic surgeon did a great job.)

What creeps me out the most is that he (in the recording) claims to have hit saesang fans many times. How is that any "acceptable" form of snapping? If he's really done it more than once, how can anyone excuse him still? That's not a fight-or-flight reaction, that's assault.

I hope he has learned from it and will never repeat it.

Considering he brags about having it done a lot of times...

I think it would be best to not date them, because, while you see it as giving it a tentative sort of opportunity and see if it actually leads to something, they're thinking "I just need to work this a bit more and then scooooore!" (whether "score" means sex or just a more serious relationship or both depends on the guy, of course).

They're seeing it as a small victory paving the way to bigger ones, instead of a trial run.

If they're pestering you and needling you over and over even when you say no, they're not likely to listen or be very perceptive to anything other than you being firm about your decision and sticking by it until they give up when they see you're serious.

...The bad side of this is that some might take it personally and blame you for it not working out by not even giving them the chance, but it's up to them to keep looking for someone actually interested, and it's not really your problem that they don't accept your agency as a person, at least beyond making your boundaries firm and clear.

On the good side, you owe it to yourself to settle only for someone you really want to, instead of giving in to doubts and pressure (even if it's only the pressure of "geez, okay, I'll do it, just shut up already", which can be more draining than you'd imagine.)

the really aggravating factor is that they spill over from fandom into real life with the ease of a sieve

But skittles have a smell. They smell sticky-sweet.

Who said what Jaejoong did was okay? Sounds like people are just reminding a delusional OP that stalkers are scary and Jaejoong flipping out on one is not the same as a man beating his girlfriend. Jaejoong SHOULDN'T have done it, but he is the victim, here.

The victim of stalking is NOT the one in power. The stalkers have power, ESPECIALLY when there are LITERALLY hundreds of them. How do you even come to that conclusion? What, because Jaejoong is a man, he should just be amused and gentle with these people?

I'm not surprised. He loves theatre and he's lauded theatre acting over film acting. Small intimate indie films and theatrical productions is where I see him, to be quite honest.

In case you didn't see the header, this is really long, sorry. I started a short reply and it turned into an essay. I kind of like it, though; might clean it up some day. Best and most relevant part is at the bottom. And I'm crossing my fingers hoping the HTML doesn't screw up. Not proofread or anything because it's 2:40 AM and I need to get to sleep.

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For me, it would depend on the fandom/canon involved (whether it's an ongoing story, with conflicts inherent in fic for it, or whether everything is resolved canonically), on the pairing (if one was specified - are they canonically together, friends, neutral, enemies? Also whether a romantic pairing was specified), on the general tone of the canon (light and sweet? Wild swings between high and low points? Dark and dismal with grey and black morality, if that?), and on the length of the fic (just a little tidbit, or something with more meat on its bones?).

So let's go through them one at a time.

First, if the canon is ongoing - for instance, a TV show in the middle of its second season (or one that's been cancelled) - then you have to deal with the current conflicts. Alice wants Bob who's with Jane who's secretly pining for Hank who hasn't told Delilah that he's her son by way of Delilah's illicit and short-lived affair with Tony, who is completely unknown to Delilah's husband of forty years, Richard, and did I mention that Alice is Hank's half-sister...? And so on. Obviously that's made up, but if the request is for Alice/Bob fluff, you can't go straight from canon to fluff without some explanation in the middle. The easiest way to do it, and the quickest, is to set it some months or years in the future, and either include a short scene that tells the reader the current state of affairs - that Alice is with Bob and Jane's with Hank and Delilah learned that Tony is happily married to Charles and they're all one big happy family or whatever - or you can flat out tell the reader what's happened in an author's note. The first way is better if you can manage it, but sometimes you (general you) can't.

The other way to do it is to set it in the middle of all the conflict, or at the tail end of it. Alice and Bob share a stolen night together before going back to their respective lives, or Jane's been cheating on Bob with Hank, Bob's found out, and the story starts with their break-up but maybe it doesn't end messily because Bob's realized his true love is...? (STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT!) The point is, you've got to do something about it, and your options are basically to handwave it or incorporate it - you can't just ignore it.

If the canon conflict is resolved, that makes things easier. Harry's beaten Voldemort, so Ron/Hermione fluff isn't terribly hard to conceive of. Even if the pairing isn't canon endgame - Draco/Luna or whoever - it's pretty easy to pick a jumping-off point for an AU. Again, you can use the conflict to facilitate the fluff, but here, you don't have to. Then again, there's no ready-made way to catch and hold the readers' interest beyond the pairing.

Second, it depends on the pairing. If the pairing is canon, great! No mental gymnastics really necessary. Again, you've got to come up with some home-grown tension, but that's not hard, especially for the kind of low-key stuff that fluff is made of. Now, diverging from canon makes it a little harder (but if we cared about that, why would we write fanfic?).

If the characters are friends, like Arthur and Cobb in Inception, it isn't hard to imagine them getting together, or, if it's ambiguous enough, them being together in the first place and just not overtly showing it in canon for whatever reason. For instance, you could handwave Arthur/Cobb into existence pretty easily - a lot of their interaction and friendship isn't shown. On the other hand, you can't wave your magic wand and expect people to automatically know that in YOUR fic, of COURSE Westley and Inigo are together, especially when it's against characterization. In any case, unless the fic calls for A/B established, or it's noted in the header, there's a little nudge from the part of the author needed (and if you do the "established" thing, there's always the chance that the readers will reject it as being out of character. Judge carefully). And, again, you can always use the sweetness and fluffiness inherent in two characters finding their One True Love (and perhaps mawwage! Mawwage is what bwings us too-gedda too-day - I'll stop).

If the characters are neutral, or they have a working relationship, it's a little harder, but not that much more so. Provide a bigger revelation, or have them get to know each other some more. Not hard.

If the characters are enemies, however, it gets tough. This one largely also depends on the tone of the work, because that's what dictates the villain's relationship with the hero. Let's use My Little Pony as an example, because Discord and Celestia are a good example of fairly evenly matched enemies with a shared past. You could do several things to get them together - in the present, Discord shows up to fuck the world over again, and Celestia stops him and reforms him (this option takes quite a while). Or he shows up having learned his lesson, although that would take some damn good writing to make me believe - remember, he's the villain. In the future, maybe, Celestia and Discord have reached equilibrium, or Discord has stopped his villainy (or rather, the generic villain has stopped his villainy for whatever reason, since this is Discord and he specifically probably wouldn't). Or you could set it in the past, before Whatever Happened to make the villain/antagonist oppose the hero/protagonist. Then you can have them being all lovey-dovey, and if you're good enough, you can slip some hints about how it will all go wrong in there without losing too much of that fluffy vibe (Tron notes that Clu is arguing a lot with Flynn; Sarabi glances around one day and idly sees that her husband's brother Scar has been hanging out a whole bunch with the hyenas lately).

Note that another thing you could do would be to have the villain brainwash the hero, and have a "fluffy" scene that gives off deeply wrong vibes. That isn't really true fluff, so I include it here only for the sake of completeness - although, of course, the above list is nowhere near complete, and as long as it gets you to where you want, go for it.

If a romantic pairing or moresome was specified, you have a concrete goal, as you do if a friendship pairing or moresome was specified (and I understand that in fic exchanges, they usually are). If not, try, if you can and/or want, to do something that hasn't been done by hundreds of other people, both because the challenge might be fun and also because if the person requesting it just wants "fluff in [fandom] universe," then you may as well give them something they can't find elsewhere. But never mind that, it's not what you've asked about.

Third, it depends on the tone of the original work. Torchwood, for instance, is pretty dark. Anyone can, and indeed probably will, die, at least one of them multiple times. There's violence (duh), murder (duh), drugs, hard choices and usually there is no plot that lasts longer than an episode that ends with the same cast in the same place, mentally/emotionally/structurally, as they were when it started. Doctor Who, on the other hand, is pretty middle-of-the-scale. Some people die, but not really in the main cast unless it's a big end-of-a-companion arc thing. You can show it to a 12-year-old. My Little Pony is on the other end of the spectrum; no one dies, King Quo's first name is Status, and while there might by physical or emotional threats, you are assured that they will be soundly defeated, the day's lesson learned. (I know, I've used MLP twice now. In my defense, I'm kind of making this up on the fly.)

The point is that what counts as "fluff" will obviously vary depending on the work. If you depict a quiet moment of team bonding in Torchwood fandom, that counts, even if it's only for five minutes, because the darkness of the rest of the show highlights that one moment. On the other hand, in the MLP universe, five minutes like that is just a bunch of farm ponies working next to each other. It's not special, it's just another day. Likewise, a moment or scene or story of what would count as MLP fluff, or maybe even what would count as Doctor Who fluff, would stand out as over-the-top and ridiculous in Torchwood.

For making sure your fluff fic fits the tone of the story.... I'd give you a rule of thumb, but there isn't much of one beyond keeping the characters IC. Obviously on Torchwood, characters don't collapse into madness at the thought of an overdue assignment, and on MLP, they don't keep their ex-human girlfriends in their basement while playing their employers like harps. If you really want a rough "safety" check, imagine yourself pitching the idea to the characters involved. If they would stare at you and laugh, it's too fluffy for the tone; if they'd shrug and say what's so great about that, it's not fluffy enough; and if they'd sort of blink at you and find themselves suddenly really wanting it to happen, you've got it. Or you could always ask a beta.

Lastly, the length of the fic itself makes a difference to its content. Obviously this is one of the major rules of writing, as in, don't try to compress an epic war into a hundred words, it ain't gonna work. Likewise, don't try to stretch out a single hug over a hundred pages, that ain't gonna work either. With this, though, I mean to be a little more specific to fluff.

Basically, the shorter the fic, the less conflict there should be. The conflict is already dialed way down for fluff, but if it's longer than a scene and in sharper focus than a vague series of isolated incidents, you're going to need a plot and that needs conflict. The key is to keep it low-stakes. Nobody will die, everybody will make it through intact in every way. For instance, if a major disaster is canon - say, Clu's coup in TRON: Legacy, with the story focused on Flynn - then I'd gloss over the details of the coup. Obviously it's a bad thing that happened, and people died, but that's not the focus of the story, and while the repercussions might be dwelt on some for catharsis, overall the plot and characters should focus on the future, on healing, on the good things.

If it's just a single scene, then make sure you set up your scenario correctly and you should be fine with anything happy.

I have this last bit of advice for you: write what makes you happy, and write what would make the characters in your fandom happy. All characters want something, and it's largely what drives conflict; fluff is, simplistically put, the characters getting what they want, or at least feeling as content as they can. A reader wants to come away from a fluffy story feeling content, so do your best to give that to the characters. Think of what makes you happy, not just temporarily satisfied like a dragon on his gold and gems, and not manically gleeful, either. I mean the sort of contentment that makes you think the rest of your life could continue like that, and you wouldn't really be able to complain. Or smaller things: a compliment, a hug, care when you're sick.

And one of the biggest things that makes people feel good is the care and attention of other people. They want to know that they matter, that they're special. And it feels good for most people, and most characters, when they do feel that. That's really all fluff is: it's caring, and it's a character getting what they want, at least for the moment, and it's the feeling that all is right in the world, and forever will be, no matter how much that is not and cannot be true.

Half black/half white is darker than that. Wikipedia says his mum is Swedish and his pop is African-American with Seminole blood.

None of us are very shy around each other. Sharing bathrooms, going on holidays together etc. It really wouldn't be that unusual with my friends for one person to be taking a shower while someone else is, like, brushing their teeth or doing their hair in the bathroom mirror or whatever.

Awww you don't have to feel bad for me. There's more pros to the job that keep it awesome,like free drinks and the good customers, tbh. I'll take a hug gif though ♥

Hey, it acutally seems that there's an english version on Steam. I wouldn't have thought that.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/219910/

It's a fun game with sometimes strange riddles, jsyk. XD

Eurgh. So glad I don't wear a name tag. Used to at a convenience store, and oh god the folk who think they are so clever by interjecting your name without even bothering to at least introduce their own for the "conversation".

I'm not witty either. I don't want to waste energy engaging, but I like to think I make a good sighing Martin Freeman impression.

(After consideration, commenting logged in, since, dammit, somebody has to. >_>)

I had no idea who Kyuhyun was until I looked him up, but aside from the specific reference to a performer I was unaware of until just this moment, I pretty much agree with the OP.

Scars on fictional characters: 'Yum.' Scars on real people: 'Yum ... Oh, WTF, self, this is a real person's real trauma, don't go being creepy. But...it is kind of hot. v_v'

(Guess how creepy it is depends on the person, and how they think of the scars, themselves...)

Really? I understand Harry's a bit of a lady's man, so there's at least a few gals out there who want him...

(Granted, a lot of them might just want to do a prince, and since Wills is taken...)

It's okay OP.

They're only half brothers anyway.

..... Is Hiddleston the new Misha?

Is there a Hiddlesland Comm out there submitting lulzy secrets for the capslocky glee of it? Hiddlewives?

IDK, that's the vibe I'm getting here.

Are any of them?

So what are you so afraid of?

ayrt

Thanks, I'll save this thread. I'm always looking for new things to read and recs I find are the best way (rather than browsing ffnet and hoping it won't be boring or badly written)

While you're in the recommendation mood, know any longish fics where Snape is mean/a killer and struggles with that?

Apparently I'm in the mood for "people who are okay with doing bad things but won't do it to please other people and have to fight themselves to not hurt others"

re: The Never Ending Road. I appreciate that Harriet isn't an empty headed Marysue. I'm liking her more than Harry at this rate.

At least Craig plays the first Bond who isn't a sexist slimeball (hardcore Bond fans, come at me).

Well, I haven't seen Quantum of Solace or Skyfall, yet...

But...unless he's improved since Casino Royale, I can't really agree with this... I mean, I guess he's less terrible with Vesper at the end, but with the anonymous woman earlier, his earliest interactions with Vesper, and even some of his interactions with M...nah, he's still a sexist slimeball, it's just they acknowledge that (as well as his inherent sociopathy) in universe, which makes the movies themselves a bit less creepily sexist.

Nah, more like Carver/Edlund's cock.

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