[ SECRET POST #2147 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2147 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! I've never read Twilight and doubt I would like it if I did, but that's one the things that annoy me the me the most about the haters. The whole attitude that girls and women need to be protected from these dangerous books and are too stupid to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

[visp]

No one ever says "needs to be protected from" when talking about those books. Mainly, the words used are "full of shit."

[(Anonymous)]

Well... the way I see it (as a youngish female sub) is this:

Twilight's not "dangerous" or anything because ultimately it's fantasy. Edward is a vampire; you will never meet an Edward. You may meet a stalker-ish, abusive, controlling asshole, but you will never meet an Edward.

Fifty Shades, on the other hand, is "dangerous" exactly because it doesn't draw a clear line between fantasy and reality. Christian is a stalkerish, abusive, controlling asshole who lures in an innocent woman under the guise of BDSM and does lots of sketchy, borderline rape-y things to her. Unfortunately, you may meet plenty of Christians in real life if you don't know what you're doing. But largely, the reason 50 Shades is so problematic is that for a lot of people, it is their first contact with BDSM, or something that looks like it (I've said before that 50 Shades is a rape roleplay without the framing device of an actual roleplay), and so they can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality there. They aren't stupid by any means, neither women nor men, but BDSM, like a whip or a sub or a relationship of any sort, isn't a toy, and 50 Shades treats all four as such.

[(Anonymous)]

Great description of why the '50 Shades' craze is making me a tad concerned. We need to get the word out.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I think these books are problematic because they glamorize abuse - which can affect both men and women. But really, they are more conserning because they reflect the views that people already have. (If people didn't already have these views the books wouldn't be so popular.)

Also, acting like people aren't influenced by the media they consume is silly. Media is both influences and is influenced by the culture surrounding it.

[(Anonymous)]

Violent video games are criticized because the assumed audience -- young boys and men -- apparently need to be protected from them and are too stupid to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

I don't think it's a matter of sexism, just a matter of awful taste.

[(Anonymous)]

Again, it's not that they're stupid - it's that they, for the most part, have no other background with either healthy relationships (if we're talking teens and Twlight) or BDSM (if we're talking... well, quite a lot of people and 50 Shades). Following your analogy, it's as though someone's first exposure to New York was Grand Theft Auto. It is ridiculous? Yeah. Is it wrong? Yeah, and anyone who knows anything else about New York could tell you that. And obviously more people have access to information about New York, and it's not like New York is taboo. But it's basically what's happening, especially with 50 Shades.

[(Anonymous)]

I...think we agree? I was just trying to draw attention to the above anon's weird statement ("[I'm annoyed by] the whole attitude that girls and women need to be protected from these dangerous books and are too stupid to tell the difference between fantasy and reality").

The OP of this thread is trying to argue that some criticism of Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray is based in wanting to repress young women from acting out their desires, and thus is sexist; this kind of attitude is leveraged against young men in a different context, though, so sexism most likely isn't the source of the criticism. It's the presentation of unhealthy relationships to an audience that hasn't had experience with healthy relationships yet.

[(Anonymous)]

What about the people who ask Robert Pattinson to bite them, or are convinced they are the true Bella and Edward? Looks like this fandom is pretty fill of "people too stupid to tell the difference between fantasy and reality" as is.

At some point, this shit is going to land a woman or young girl in intensive care or on a morgue slab. It's not a matter of if, but when, since this whole "glamourisation of abuse under the guise of fiction" phenomenon doesn't seem to be losing steam any time soon.

If anyone reading this ever finds their Christian or an Edward, do yourself and the world a favour and CALL THE COPS and file a restraining order/ injunction. Stalking and obsessive behaviour isn't cute, isn't sweet, it can and does destroy lives.

Jesus fucking christ, is that SO HARD for all of you fucking domestic abuse apologists to comprehend?!