[ SECRET POST #2148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2148 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Christian Free speach VS Atheist free speach-Both lost

[(Anonymous)]

i think this was ruled poorly. i'm of the opinion that the first amendment protects the church here, and that there's nothing wrong with "advertising" a religion - or a lack thereof - in the public eye. public property or not, people have the right to practice and support what they believe, even if not everybody believes in it. by not protecting the church's right here the court is more or less saying it is not legal to publicly display your beliefs, which is kind of baffling to me.

that being said, i don't oppose the atheist ~installment either. i think they both have an equal right to be placed there. this whole fiasco is really frustrating for me, even as an atheist.

Re: Christian Free speach VS Atheist free speach-Both lost

[(Anonymous)]

No one was saying the church couldn't advertise their religion in public. In fact, they'd been doing so for years. It was only when a different belief was displayed alongside it that the church pitched a fit. A judge then decided that unmanned displays would not be allowed in the park. That is not to say that any religion cannot advertise there - but only that they can't put up a monument and leave it.

Re: Christian Free speach VS Atheist free speach-Both lost

[cassandraoftroy]

Explain to me how the government refusing to provide free access to a publicly-maintained space for a particular religion to advertise and advocate their beliefs in any way violates the right to free exercise?

First Amendment violations would include passing laws forbidding churches from setting up nativity displays on their own, church-owned property, or from buying billboard space and displaying religious messages. Freedom of religion does not include being given free advertising space subsidized by the government.

Especially given that it seems the Christian group was fine until they tried to prevent other groups with differing messages from also displaying their beliefs, they really don't have a leg to stand on from the "religious persecution" angle. But even if it had just been a matter of, "are city governments Constitutionally obligated to provide a free platform for religious displays," an answer of "No" would not have been a violation of anyone's First Amendment rights. Allowing someone to speak without legal penalty =/= providing them with free ad space.

Re: Christian Free speach VS Atheist free speach-Both lost

[(Anonymous)]

It was a long standing tradition to do so. However, when the atheists started putting up their own signs the church cried foul. The courts said -no one- could put up unmanned displays, period, as everyone refused to act like adults.

Re: Christian Free speach VS Atheist free speach-Both lost

[cbrachyrhynchos]

That's not a good summary of the court's decision. The City of Santa Monica (CoSM) ended the tradition citing difficulty satisfying multiple groups and increased maintenance costs. The court refused a preliminary injunction against the CoSM on the grounds that CoSM's budgetary decision was not a violation of the First Amendment.