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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-19 05:26 pm

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[personal profile] vicfrankenstein 2012-11-21 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
As much as I love the show Frasier... it always seemed lonely. I mean, people have mentioned how there's such a small cast of characters in the show as it is. Add to that the fact that nobody liked Frasier and Niles. They had to be each other's best friends because their friends didn't like them. Nobody in either of their buildings liked them. Frasier hung out with his brother, his father and his co-worker because that's all he had. It's depressing. And I mean, Niles and Martin love Frasier because he's family, but I could argue that they don't much like each other as people.

I mean, besides being rich, there's nothing about Frasier's life you should want.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-23 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see what you're saying, and I even agree. But what I loved about the show, at the beginning of the show, you had these three strangers who didn't know how to be in the same room together, who loved each other but didn't know how to talk to each other, slowly become this family, one where they're comfortable telling the other that they love them. One of the things that I always looked forward to was when Martin counseled Niles or Frasier as a man and as their father, and how Niles and Frasier counseled (or analyzed) each other out of a tight spot.

They didn't have a lot of friends but if you watch Crock Tales, you can see that it didn't much matter, those people had the only family that mattered to them. The people in their buildings, and the mostly unseen Opera friends or dinner party friends, I think, were meant to show the snobby side of life and every time those people rejected Frasier and Niles, it only seemed to exemplify how DIFFERENT the boys were from that lifestyle they chased. Different as in better, I mean.

One thing I actually DISLIKED about the show was how it ended - with Frasier still chasing love. The message wasn't a good one, I think.
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[personal profile] vicfrankenstein 2012-11-23 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a good point! I never thought about it that way, and those parts totally make sense. I like that way of looking at it. It's still a little lonely, but it shows that family is great.

And yeah, the ending was... meh. I think everything you know about Frasier from Cheers and Frasier should really stop trying to find romantic love. Although I don't remember that much about the last episode, since I've only seen it once or twice.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-23 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't either. I just remember that the last Love Interest, Laura Linney, was moving back to Chicago and Frasier basically quit his job and got on a plane to follow her, hoping that they could continue their relationship. It wasn't even a sure thing, Frasier was just taking a chance. But the thing is about Frasier, that they never showed him growing out of, was his tendency to sabotage his own relationships. Why would we think that last one would be any better?