[ SECRET POST #2148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2148 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

What is the movie?

[(Anonymous)]

I want to know too.

[brooms]

How Do You Know, i think.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't know who lisa is b/c i don't know the movie, but wasn't daphne the paid physical therapist for fraiser's dad, and didn't she have her own place?

maybe i don't understand your meaning here, but i guess what i'm asking is why you don't think daphne is also a strong, independent woman...? daphne wasn't really dependent on anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Daphne was a live-in therapist. She had her own room in Frasier's apartment.

[diet_poison]

huh

I suspect that if you did have all the riches and luxuries you want, you'd eventually get bored of them.

[intrigueing]

The wealthy setting made for some great comedy fodder in Frasier, but it always made me feel like it was all more trouble than it was worth :D

[truxillogical]

Lord knows it made me glad I couldn't afford a crepe pan to season. "First World Problems: The TV Show."

[(Anonymous)]

This comment makes me think of how when I watched Frasier as a kid (my parents were big fans), Martin (the dad) was my favorite because Frasier and Niles made no sense to me in all their snobbiness. I remember one episode where Frasier says something like, "It doesn't matter when Dad is wrong or Roz is wrong, but I have a degree from Harvard!" and I just thought, "So?"

[n7of9]

oh, that's interesting! i've never really thought of it that way, but i suppose that's what tv or movies go for, we watch pleasant (albeit fake) lives and want to relate to them?

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

...okay. Never thought about either of those things in that particular way, but I get that.

[(Anonymous)]

The luxuries are nice but it is really the not having to worry about bills that makes it worth the school and work that got my husband and I to this point.

We had some really dark days. And, the cliche about someday you look back and think "Wow, how did we do that?" is true.

[(Anonymous)]

I was a teenager when Fraiser was on the air and I always liked that there was a popular show with rich characters. My parents were rich and my whole life, even now, people expect me to apologize for it. That happened less when Fraiser was on the air and I loved it.

[morieris]

Frasier is my favorite show, and I totally understand. I just think "It must be fun to be worried about a bird stuck to your ear for a dinner party, if only for a night."

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you need to be wealthy to be concerned over having a bird stuck to your ear?

[(Anonymous)]

Watching Frasier now I realize for the first time how really ridiculously wealthy he is. He fucking drops $10,000 on a fucking matchmaker.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure most people want to be rich, OP. That's the driving force of practically all human history.

[unicornherds]

Hmm I'm curious to hear your reasoning for saying Daphne was not a strong independent female character that took care of herself.

[(Anonymous)]

By that logic you should also love Sex and the City, or at least the movies.

But honestly, I feel like a lot of TV shows are like this: there's an expectation that people won't want to tune in to watch people just like them working hard and coming home exhausted from, like, blue collar jobs if they're looking for escapism. They want, as you say, to live vicariously through wealthier characters. But in the TV world, even people doing jobs that usually don't make tons of money end up living those great, worry-free lives. So...yeah, not really going anywhere with that, other than that impulse toward vicarious watching is pretty common and actually what a lot of characters' professions are chosen in mind of.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a very common brand of escapism. Nothing wrong with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Why? So everyone can hate you and take most of your $$$ in taxes?

[(Anonymous)]

I like movies about rich people as well... and tv shows... it's the reason I got into Gossip Girl. It's nice escapism...

[(Anonymous)]

There's a lot of reasons I love Frasier. Frasier and Niles' wealth was one of them. It was part of the comedy, that sometimes they really got caught up in the material things - like when they became members of this really exclusive spa and found out that there was always a membership level beyond what they had bought so they had to move up to the next level and the next level until they reached the "platinum door" and then the very last door just lead to an alley in the end. Martin and Roz was always there to remind them where they came from, to bring them down from their snobbery.


It's not just about their wealth though.

What I really love about the show is that the older characters weren't treated like cutesy buffoons. Martin and Roz's mom and Cam Winston's mother were professionals - a detective, a D.A., and vet and they maintained their dignity and occasionally knew better than their kids.

Frasier dated age-appropriate women, and instead of being a sex-chasing dog who loved bimbos, he was simply looking for love and kept failing at every relationship because he sabotaged himself. The show took great pains to let the audience know that even though he lived far away, he still maintained relationships with his son and ex-wife. And he was genuinely interested in helping people.

Niles was awesome in his crush on Daphne, but again he was not a pig about it. It showed that he loved his wife and strived to make his marriage work. And then we got to see him struggle to free himself from a marriage where his wife held most of the financial cards. He learned to be independent over the first seven seasons.

And Roz was awesome for two reasons - she was unapologetic about her sex life and she looked like a real woman - curves and a little bit of bulging and actual aging. It was awesome. Daphne was portrayed as a woman who moved to a new country to make a life for herself, and even though she ended up married to Niles, while she worked for Martin and Frasier, everyone was Mr. Crane and she actually was shown DOING her job.

I word-vomited a bit, but there's so many reasons to love this show. When a friend of mine told me she couldn't stand it because it was about pretentious snobs, I was really surprised. They are but the show pokes fun at them for it, so we would know how absurd it all was.

[vicfrankenstein]

As much as I love the show Frasier... it always seemed lonely. I mean, people have mentioned how there's such a small cast of characters in the show as it is. Add to that the fact that nobody liked Frasier and Niles. They had to be each other's best friends because their friends didn't like them. Nobody in either of their buildings liked them. Frasier hung out with his brother, his father and his co-worker because that's all he had. It's depressing. And I mean, Niles and Martin love Frasier because he's family, but I could argue that they don't much like each other as people.

I mean, besides being rich, there's nothing about Frasier's life you should want.