[ SECRET POST #2150 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2150 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

dude, idk what you think sociopaths are but neither loki fits that definition???
he is definitely a terrible person in both versions but that doesn't mean he's a sociopath.

[(Anonymous)]

(Anon above you)

Actually, I think a strong argument could be made for movie Loki being a sociopath. Comics Loki, for all that he's (arguably) the crueler and more flat-out evil of the two, seems to be capable of genuinely caring for other people. Movie Loki, on the other hand, cares only about himself - yes, he wants Odin to love him, and certainly seems shocked and horrified when Odin falls into the Odin-sleep, but I think it's a perfectly valid interpretation to say that all of his apparent care for his family is solely self-serving.

He wants love, praise and validation, and that's what drives his every action in both movies (more praise and validation than love in the second one) but he doesn't seem all that interested in giving it to anyone else in return. His horror at Odin falling might have had nothing to do with actual love for him and everything to do with watching a man he idolized fall apart before him.

Not that it's the only interpretation that can be made, sure, but I think one could totally see him as a sociopath. But only in the movies.

[(Anonymous)]

It's times like this that make me facepalm at people who don't know what a sociopath is. People with APD do not have concern for their own safety or for that of others. They would not care at Odin AT ALL if they were a sociopath, nor even themselves. Sociopaths are actually quite stupid and typically end up in jail in their early to mid teens because they're impulsive and don't comprehend nor care about the moral wrongs society puts in place. They're the shitheads who end up stabbing an old man in front of a supermarket where everyone can see what they've done because they want the nice watch he has on, and don't care if they're arrested on the spot nor will be coming up with some elaborate plan to escape.

Loki is selfish and has done terrible things but he would not qualify as a sociopath. A Narcissist, maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the term sociopath was also being used for psychopaths now, though? And that psychopaths actually tend to be quite smart, and very good at playing at having normal emotions, and experts at manipulation, and are completely ruthless because they don't actually care about anyone but themselves. Which is why they tend to get ahead in business and shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Quoted from the DSM-IV:


Individuals with an Antisocial Personality Disorder show a lack of concern toward the expectations and rules of society and usually frequently become involved in at least minor violations of the rules of society and the rights of others. A popular term for this type of individual is “sociopath”. Although the diagnosis is limited to those persons over eighteen years of age, it usually involves a history of antisocial behavior before the age of fifteen. The individual often displays a pattern of lying, truancy, delinquency, substance abuse, running away from home and may have difficulty with the law. As an adult, the person often commits acts that are against the law and/or fails to live up to the requirements of a job, financial responsibility, or parenting responsibilities. They tend to have difficulty sustaining a long term marital relationship and frequently are involved in alcohol and drug abuse.

SYMPTOMS

The signs and symptoms include:

Lack of concern regarding society’s rules and expectations.
Repeated violations of the rights of others.
Unlawful behavior.
Lack of regard for the truth
In parents, neglect or abuse of children.
Lack of a steady job. Frequent job changes through quitting and/or being fired
Tendencies toward physical aggression and extreme irritability.

Sociopaths are usually idiots who cannot handle a job even. They are not business executives. You are thinking of Narcissists, who are a lot more sneaky and tactful at hiding their nasty traits.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, then perhaps the book I was reading about it is out of date.

In which case, my bad.

[(Anonymous)]

Sociopath =/= antisocial personality disorder. IIRC, "sociopath" isn't a clinical term at all (nor is "psychopath").

[(Anonymous)]

A popular term for this type of individual is “sociopath”.

Learn to read before you type.

[(Anonymous)]

Since it is not a clinical term, we return to a dictionary definition, which merely says "extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience". It's a lot more vague, and a lot harder to argue that someone doesn't meet the criteria.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol wow, someone is trying to argue with the DSM-IV over something they found on dictionary.com.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

No, look, it's simple.

The word 'sociopath' is not a DSM-IV term. It's a word that is sometimes used to refer to a specific personality disorder that is on the DSM-IV, but it is not an actual clinical term.

Therefore.

It is perfectly valid to use the dictionary definition of sociopath when deciding whether a fictional character is or isn't a sociopath.

Does that make sense?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't want to get involved in this little mess, but if you have the time you should read "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, Ph.D. It's actually really good, and it goes into all of this.

But yes, according to Dr. Stout, Sociopaths and those with ASPD are the same thing.

(To other anon involved in this argument): Have you ever actually met a sociopath? If you answered no, then I guess sociopaths aren't as obvious as you seem to think, unless you've met less then 25 people in your life.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually am a sociopath, so.

[(Anonymous)]

da but ur the only sane one in this thread

respect to the high