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So, do other countries have one day in the year set aside as a camping out, batshit crazy, roller derby violent, mob rule shopping day too?

(That may or may not be associated with a bastardized consumerist version of a religious festival.)

What the hell religious festival is Thanksgiving?

Prayers of thanks and special thanksgiving ceremonies are common among almost all religions after harvests and at other times.[1] The holiday's history in North America is rooted in English traditions dating from the Protestant Reformation. It also has aspects of a harvest festival, even though the harvest in New England occurs well before the late-November date of the holiday[1][2]

In the English tradition, days of thanksgiving and special thanksgiving religious services became important during the English Reformation in the reign of Henry VIII and in reaction to the large number of religious holidays on the Catholic calendar. Before 1536 there were 95 Church holidays, plus 52 Sundays, when people were required to attend church and forego work and sometimes pay for expensive celebrations. The 1536 reforms reduced the number of Church holidays to 27, but some Puritans, the radical reformers of their age, wished to completely eliminate all Church holidays, including Christmas and Easter. The holidays were to be replaced by specially called Days of Fasting or Days of Thanksgiving, in response to events that the Puritans viewed as acts of special providence. Unexpected disasters or threats of judgement from on high called for Days of Fasting. Special blessings, viewed as coming from God, called for Days of Thanksgiving. For example, Days of Fasting were called on account of drought in 1611, floods in 1613, and plague in 1604 and 1622. Days of Thanksgiving were called following the victory over the Spanish Armada in 1588, and following the deliverance of Queen Anne in 1705. An unusual annual Day of Thanksgiving began in 1606 following the failure of the Gunpowder Plot in 1605, and developed into Guy Fawkes Day.

-wikipedia

Well now I feel dumb. I'm ~30 and I never heard any of that. All we ever did in school was make hand turkeys and talk about how the Pilgrims sucked at farming.

yeah most people weren't taught about this

dunno why

Most people weren't taught about the rampant slaughter and enslaving of the Native American's, either. I really don't *like* turkey day.

me neither

Well, I don't know. You can look at Thanksgiving as a general harvest festival, which is a normal thing for any culture with, you know, a harvest, and is not inherently linked to anything. Or, you could look at it as tied to that particular group of settlers, who were too incompetent to enslave or slaughter anyone, regardless of what was going on near, before, and after them.

I tend to favor the general harvest festival interpretation. Because we have enough to eat! and we need something to celebrate cause it's getting really effin' dark out there!

Or, you know, not. The US turkey day is chock-a-block with representations of the 'Pilgrim mothers and fathers' and the 'friendly Indians' and even in school, the real history of this 'holiday' is utterly ignores. Frankly, i find that kind of cutesy erasure pretty gross.

But don't take my word for it - take it from an actual Native person.

http://www.lastrealindians.com/axCommentDetails.php?postId=2132

I don't know about you but I hardly see any of that anymore. Thanksgiving is more of a generic "harvest festival/give thanks" kind of holiday these days, and if anything I see people using it as an opportunity to talk about indigenous cultures and how screwed over Native Americans were, I never see anyone talking about how great Pilgrims were, about "helpful Indians" or whatever. I get that Americans used to put a bigger emphasis on the "first Thanksgiving" and use it as an excuse to crow about how great the Pilgrims were, etc. but almost everyone realizes how not cool that is anymore

I mean Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays because in general I think taking time to spend with people you care about and to acknowledge how much you have to be thankful for is FUCKING IMPORTANT and people don't do enough of that (most people just complain incessantly about how shitty their lives are, myself included), I wish people wouldn't shit it up this way when harvest festivals pre-dates colonization of the Americas anyway (and every other culture gets to have one without people whining about it). Can I have just one positive moment in my life please

I'm not stopping you from having anything. I merely put forth my opinion of that day, much as you have.

Started by Pilgrims. Everything was religious with them.

I assumed Anon was talking about Christmas? Since Black Friday is all about getting deals on Christmas shopping - the Christmas season sort of "officially" starts the day after Thanksgiving.

Is Boxing Day similar? My step-mom is from Canada and I'm pretty sure she said it was some kind of shopping day (after Christmas?) but I'm not positive

Boxing Day (in the UK at least) does have an element of that these days. From what I know of Black Friday though, Boxing Day is nowhere near as big/manic and it's a bank holiday so Sunday trading laws are observed and shops aren't open all hours. It can get pretty busy but not like the horror stories I've heard from the US.

Canadian too and yes, Boxing Day is similar. Albeit much less of a rush, I think, and a little less of a big thing since most people I know stay in the day after Christmas.

I've seen Boxing Day get pretty crazy in some malls. Depends where I think. I used to work in this huge mall in Vancouver and it was madness. Took me 20 mins just to go on a pee break because of how crowded it was....

Boxing Day is similar, yeah. Big sales in Australia, although there are some shops that are actually closed, and it's nowhere near as insane.

December 27th is generally worse than Boxing Day itself, actually.

New Years in Japan is a huuuuuuge shopping day; people will do the same trample-your-loved-ones thing to get a fukubukuro (basically a grab bag worth far more than it costs) too!

boxing day is our big one in canada, but we also have some sales for black friday, though not nearly as much as in the us

Canada's started to do Black Friday too recently, probably so we don't shop south of the border and take all our money away. :P The deals aren't as good though, and the malls don't get as crazy.

I've been shopping in the US for Black Friday though, that's positively insane. Worse than our Boxing Day by miles.

Nothing here in Argentina, nothing like Thanksgiving and nothing like Black Friday either.

The New Years Sale in Malaysia. Also, during the holy month of Ramadhan. ESPECIALLY RAMADHAN. The locals would set up stalls in the streets selling food, drinks and other items while people of every race and faith would shop from 4 pm to the dusk prayers. The amount of parked cars everywhere would lead to hours-long traffic jams. AND THIS CONTINUES FOR A WHOLE MONTH. D:

nope.
like other people have said, boxing day sales, but they're nowhere near as insane as black friday seems to be. people just do a tonne of shopping, but there's no camping or violence.

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