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⌈ Secret Post #2150 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

What the hell religious festival is Thanksgiving?

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

Prayers of thanks and special thanksgiving ceremonies are common among almost all religions after harvests and at other times.[1] The holiday's history in North America is rooted in English traditions dating from the Protestant Reformation. It also has aspects of a harvest festival, even though the harvest in New England occurs well before the late-November date of the holiday[1][2]

In the English tradition, days of thanksgiving and special thanksgiving religious services became important during the English Reformation in the reign of Henry VIII and in reaction to the large number of religious holidays on the Catholic calendar. Before 1536 there were 95 Church holidays, plus 52 Sundays, when people were required to attend church and forego work and sometimes pay for expensive celebrations. The 1536 reforms reduced the number of Church holidays to 27, but some Puritans, the radical reformers of their age, wished to completely eliminate all Church holidays, including Christmas and Easter. The holidays were to be replaced by specially called Days of Fasting or Days of Thanksgiving, in response to events that the Puritans viewed as acts of special providence. Unexpected disasters or threats of judgement from on high called for Days of Fasting. Special blessings, viewed as coming from God, called for Days of Thanksgiving. For example, Days of Fasting were called on account of drought in 1611, floods in 1613, and plague in 1604 and 1622. Days of Thanksgiving were called following the victory over the Spanish Armada in 1588, and following the deliverance of Queen Anne in 1705. An unusual annual Day of Thanksgiving began in 1606 following the failure of the Gunpowder Plot in 1605, and developed into Guy Fawkes Day.

-wikipedia

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

Well now I feel dumb. I'm ~30 and I never heard any of that. All we ever did in school was make hand turkeys and talk about how the Pilgrims sucked at farming.

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

yeah most people weren't taught about this

dunno why

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[tabaqui]

Most people weren't taught about the rampant slaughter and enslaving of the Native American's, either. I really don't *like* turkey day.

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

me neither

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't know. You can look at Thanksgiving as a general harvest festival, which is a normal thing for any culture with, you know, a harvest, and is not inherently linked to anything. Or, you could look at it as tied to that particular group of settlers, who were too incompetent to enslave or slaughter anyone, regardless of what was going on near, before, and after them.

I tend to favor the general harvest festival interpretation. Because we have enough to eat! and we need something to celebrate cause it's getting really effin' dark out there!

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[tabaqui]

Or, you know, not. The US turkey day is chock-a-block with representations of the 'Pilgrim mothers and fathers' and the 'friendly Indians' and even in school, the real history of this 'holiday' is utterly ignores. Frankly, i find that kind of cutesy erasure pretty gross.

But don't take my word for it - take it from an actual Native person.

http://www.lastrealindians.com/axCommentDetails.php?postId=2132

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[childings.livejournal.com]

I don't know about you but I hardly see any of that anymore. Thanksgiving is more of a generic "harvest festival/give thanks" kind of holiday these days, and if anything I see people using it as an opportunity to talk about indigenous cultures and how screwed over Native Americans were, I never see anyone talking about how great Pilgrims were, about "helpful Indians" or whatever. I get that Americans used to put a bigger emphasis on the "first Thanksgiving" and use it as an excuse to crow about how great the Pilgrims were, etc. but almost everyone realizes how not cool that is anymore

I mean Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays because in general I think taking time to spend with people you care about and to acknowledge how much you have to be thankful for is FUCKING IMPORTANT and people don't do enough of that (most people just complain incessantly about how shitty their lives are, myself included), I wish people wouldn't shit it up this way when harvest festivals pre-dates colonization of the Americas anyway (and every other culture gets to have one without people whining about it). Can I have just one positive moment in my life please

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[tabaqui]

I'm not stopping you from having anything. I merely put forth my opinion of that day, much as you have.

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[(Anonymous)]

Started by Pilgrims. Everything was religious with them.

Re: Black Friday Equivalents

[diet_poison]

I assumed Anon was talking about Christmas? Since Black Friday is all about getting deals on Christmas shopping - the Christmas season sort of "officially" starts the day after Thanksgiving.