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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-11-24 03:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #2153 ]


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(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I lol when white people try to police me and say I can't use "offensive" words about my own race because their white people feelings are offended when nobody else there of our actual race is.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha. This reminds of that one time when I saw an SJW get into a screaming match with some guy for using the word "fag". Turns out the SJW was straight and the guy she was screaming at was gay.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'm gay and hate the usage of the word fag. There, now you can't say "but a gay guy said it was okay and he speaks for all gay guys!".
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[personal profile] morieris 2012-11-24 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
"Nobody should use those words!1!"

Well, but that's not my or your call to make if we're not part of that race/demographic.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Diff anon... that's true, but it pisses me off when people shut down discussion on whether or not reclaiming words is actually beneficial because the people discussing it are white. Reclaiming words isn't just a racial issue, it's a big topic of discussion in sexism and homophobia as well.
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[personal profile] morieris 2012-11-24 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
That's very true for a lot of SJ topics. I'm okay if people want to discuss to keep with our example reclaiming words, but the feelings of the group that the word affects should probably be heeded more, in my opinion.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
For sure, and all those words have different histories which would affect them all individually. Like, "fag" doesn't have the same history as the "n-word", so reclaiming those words by the respective groups they target will be entirely different... But the topic can still be discussed in general, I think.

And I personally never believe that just because someone is not part of that group that their opinion is automatically meaningless.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
This, on both counts. At the end it should come down the group what gets decided and that should be respected, but deciding that someone's opinion is 'invalid' in a discussion, or even that they can't be a part of that discussion, because they aren't a part of that group? Not cool, and excludes someone who could have an interesting view point on the topic you've never considered.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-11-25 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
This...I don't think the opinions of people outside that group should be like, banned from the discussion or something. But obviously people who *are* part of the affected group should have more weight assigned to their opinions on the topic.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Using words as if they are not offensive will give the naive observer the impression that they are not offensive, regardless of the status of the naive observer with respect to the word. That is to say, you can use whatever the hell words you want, but people will cluelessly, innocently use them back at you.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-11-24 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Better to deal with that when it happens then deal with the world police.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-24 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
And I'm fine with that, as long as you don't bite the heads off the clueless people who don't know they aren't allowed to use the same words other people are using.
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[personal profile] ellie_oops 2012-11-24 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Could be that people don't know your race/gender/sexual preferences, especially on sites like these. They could think that you are some random troll using ugly words. So they are probably being a "good ally" by "educating" you when you use words like that.

(Anonymous) 2012-11-25 08:58 am (UTC)(link)
or, you know, they could belong to the race/gender/sexuality that those words target and might not appreciate seeing them used so frequently

weirdly enough, minority groups are not a monolith!